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re: Why do people rag on Ole Miss for being dirty, and ignore UK?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 6:49 am to DCRebel
Posted on 1/8/14 at 6:49 am to DCRebel
He is saying you've always recruited well, which isn't true.
You've signed guys but classes are 25 guys. Or 40 if you are Houston Nutt (come on I am joking with that)
In all the classes you haven't recruited well.
Even with the 2013 where you landed a few big names your class was not very deep. Common sense (and the patterns of other recruiting scandals of the past including Alabama from personal experience) dictates when you land a class of 3 stars and then 1 or 2 super elite guys that is a definite red flag. It is much easier to slip under the radar "cheating" with 1 or 2 guys than it is with 25. Simple probability.
If as you say Freeze is a top recruiter, Ole Miss is a top destination would you guys not be landing classes that look like ours since 2008?
Our classes sucked between Probation/the hiring of Saban, anyone can see that. But the pre probation classes of Dubose (which you can only see on the internet archive) are pretty much identical to the way you guys are currently recruiting. One or two big names that were "supposed to sign elsewhere" and a bunch of nobody's. We even had a designated bag man in Dabo Swinney (at the time the young cool coach/recruiting coordinator).
Cheating is relative in recruiting, I don't know how much actually goes on but I think there is a "normal" amount that goes on at every school and is tolerated by the NCAA. Schools get in trouble for the extraordinary cases.
Saying Ole Miss is cheating in no way implies anyone else is clean. It is saying in relative terms y'all are doing something special to pick off one or two guys a cycle. That is what gets teams in trouble. Speaking from experience.
If everything was perfectly legit you would be signing classes that are filled with the same caliber of athlete not top heavy.
Shots in the dark are a bigger red flag for cheating that recruiting in a consistent sustainable manner year in and year out. We have had the top class every year but one because we hired a guy known as the best recruiter in the game years before he ever said "I am not going to be the Alabama coach".
You've signed guys but classes are 25 guys. Or 40 if you are Houston Nutt (come on I am joking with that)
In all the classes you haven't recruited well.
Even with the 2013 where you landed a few big names your class was not very deep. Common sense (and the patterns of other recruiting scandals of the past including Alabama from personal experience) dictates when you land a class of 3 stars and then 1 or 2 super elite guys that is a definite red flag. It is much easier to slip under the radar "cheating" with 1 or 2 guys than it is with 25. Simple probability.
If as you say Freeze is a top recruiter, Ole Miss is a top destination would you guys not be landing classes that look like ours since 2008?
Our classes sucked between Probation/the hiring of Saban, anyone can see that. But the pre probation classes of Dubose (which you can only see on the internet archive) are pretty much identical to the way you guys are currently recruiting. One or two big names that were "supposed to sign elsewhere" and a bunch of nobody's. We even had a designated bag man in Dabo Swinney (at the time the young cool coach/recruiting coordinator).
Cheating is relative in recruiting, I don't know how much actually goes on but I think there is a "normal" amount that goes on at every school and is tolerated by the NCAA. Schools get in trouble for the extraordinary cases.
Saying Ole Miss is cheating in no way implies anyone else is clean. It is saying in relative terms y'all are doing something special to pick off one or two guys a cycle. That is what gets teams in trouble. Speaking from experience.
If everything was perfectly legit you would be signing classes that are filled with the same caliber of athlete not top heavy.
Shots in the dark are a bigger red flag for cheating that recruiting in a consistent sustainable manner year in and year out. We have had the top class every year but one because we hired a guy known as the best recruiter in the game years before he ever said "I am not going to be the Alabama coach".
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 6:52 am
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:25 am to Libertyabides71
I've seen people make fun of you for how mad you get . I can see now what they are talking about...
Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:29 am to Libertyabides71
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He is saying you've always recruited well, which isn't true.
Who is saying that?
Our recruiting has always been inconsistent. Good one year, so-so the next, etc. It's been that way ever since about the 1980's.
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Even with the 2013 where you landed a few big names your class was not very deep.
I disagree, based on the fact that several freshmen saw legit playing time this year. There's a common misconception that the 2013 class was three guys and then a bunch of filler, which simply isn't the case at all.
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Common sense (and the patterns of other recruiting scandals of the past including Alabama from personal experience) dictates when you land a class of 3 stars and then 1 or 2 super elite guys that is a definite red flag.
What you call "common sense" I call "bullshite opinions borne out of fan biases."
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If as you say Freeze is a top recruiter, Ole Miss is a top destination would you guys not be landing classes that look like ours since 2008?
Where'd I say this?
I think Freeze is a top recruiter, and I think Ole Miss is a great destination, but until we start winning like LSU, Bama, Florida, etc., we're not going to have the classes those schools have. I think most Ole Miss fans fully understand this.
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Saying Ole Miss is cheating in no way implies anyone else is clean. It is saying in relative terms y'all are doing something special to pick off one or two guys a cycle. That is what gets teams in trouble. Speaking from experience.
Well until you know what it is we're doing and have evidence to support it, what you're going by is mere speculation and hearsay. Don't get upset when people don't take speculation and hearsay seriously.
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If everything was perfectly legit you would be signing classes that are filled with the same caliber of athlete not top heavy.
How do you figure? I'm not sure how this is a logical conclusion.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:31 am to Libertyabides71
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Even with the 2013 where you landed a few big names your class was not very deep. Common sense (and the patterns of other recruiting scandals of the past including Alabama from personal experience) dictates when you land a class of 3 stars and then 1 or 2 super elite guys that is a definite red flag. It is much easier to slip under the radar "cheating" with 1 or 2 guys than it is with 25. Simple probability.
I'm trying to understand your argument. You say that having a class of three stars and one or two "super elite" guys is a red flag. What wouldn't be a red flag to you? Are you saying that a school can't improve its recruiting classes without buying players? Is your point that only select few colleges are entitled to recruit top-caliber guys, regardless of other circumstances like ties to a particular school or the relationship a player has with a coach?
For the sake of discussion, let's just assume that Hugh Freeze is a personable coach who relates well with recruits and their parents, and he has instant playing time to sell. You don't have to admit to that. I'm just asking you to assume that it's true for the purposes of my next question. Are you saying that simply because he signs a class that has even one or two highly rated players - regardless of any other facts - that is all it takes to suspect that Ole Miss is cheating somehow?
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