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re: Aggies, questions regarding next year's team

Posted on 12/3/13 at 9:38 am to
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/3/13 at 9:38 am to
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You literally didn't pay attention to anything I said in the other thread, did you. I know you made some declarative statements that were just silly and wrong, but you don't need to stand by them. You can admit you were wrong.



What?

I left that thread because no one would answer me.

I made this normal, polite, inquisitive thread.

What was I wrong about? Changing defensive coaches? I said it seems like a no brainer because the defense was horrid. Seems =/= Is. Thats why I asked and got great mature responses from your fellow Aggies.

Get out of here, man. Its people like you that make this place unbearable sometimes.

Posted by MMB5DAP
Member since Jul 2013
1735 posts
Posted on 12/3/13 at 9:38 am to
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Yea but he isnt at Houston anymore, and he is losing JFF Would be better if he could come up with a top 50 defense


The thing is you have no idea how good our QB behind JFF is. He might be bad or he might be good. I seem to recall every analyst out there saying we were effed because we lost top 10 draft pick Tannehill....seemed like we replaced him pretty well.
Posted by AggieDisaster
The Lone Star State
Member since Jan 2012
26 posts
Posted on 12/3/13 at 9:40 am to
Wait a dang minute...Johnny's leaving?... Well minus him, Mathews, Melena, and possible Evans are gone. The rest of the OL, receiving core including Seals-Jones, and seldom used running backs should remain intact.

I am like others, inclined to give the DC a pass because of injury, youth, etc. However, McKinney OC is a very poor play caller. With our TE's and running backs we could have had a borderline power running game when needed. (see Arkansas game) That is especially difficult to understand in some games given Johnny's injuries. Not to mention the need to protect our poor defense. In other words we needed a lot more ball control at times.
Posted by Agforlife
Somewhere in the Brazos Valley
Member since Nov 2012
20102 posts
Posted on 12/3/13 at 9:41 am to
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Would be better if he could come up with a top 50 defense



I agree and I am willing to give him the time to fill up the bare defensive cupboard he was left with. He is doing a good job with defensive recruiting so only time will tell.



I do feel that our offense will be different looking next year and yes there will be a drop off. How large that drop off is I don't know. We have some good running backs but if we continue to ignore the running game I see a worse year than this one by a large margin.
Posted by Warrior Poet
Living Rent-Free in Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2011
7956 posts
Posted on 12/3/13 at 9:43 am to
Not upset. We need to improve offensively and be more balanced. We have such a strong stable of backs but our OL was not up to the challenge of blocking for them.

We need to improve offensive playcalling, which I think would happen if we could run a more balanced offense.

I'm actually least worried about the defense. We have a ton of young guys who got experience this year and will probably all have to fight for their jobs with some of the redshirt underclassmen and incoming freshmen such as Myles Garrett. I think our defense will be significantly improved next year -- probably middle of the pack in the SEC. But if we can find more consistency on offense, a middle of the pack SEC defense will probably give us a top 15 finish with somewhere between 8-10 wins before the bowl game.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29179 posts
Posted on 12/3/13 at 9:44 am to
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What was I wrong about? Changing defensive coaches? I said it seems like a no brainer because the defense was horrid. Seems =/= Is. Thats why I asked and got great mature responses from your fellow Aggies.


I think that your response where you simply dismissed that talent was absolutely and unequivocally not the problem was the least mature response in the thread.
Posted by CrimsonPride
Houston, Tx
Member since Oct 2013
400 posts
Posted on 12/3/13 at 9:45 am to
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The thing is you have no idea how good our QB behind JFF is. He might be bad or he might be good. I seem to recall every analyst out there saying we were effed because we lost top 10 draft pick Tannehill....seemed like we replaced him pretty well.


I get that, hes probaly going to be good, but your Offense scored 40 multiple times and you still lost 4 games

no trying to hate just saying if your going to win in the SEC you have to have a good Defense

Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29179 posts
Posted on 12/3/13 at 9:48 am to
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Get out of here, man. Its people like you that make this place unbearable sometimes.


You started off the hostility and immaturity... you called me, "hoss", and made a dismissive statement, and then ignored my evidence to the contrary. It's people like you... that whine when people disagree with the stupid statements you make, and then refuse to admit speaking in such absurd generalities is counterproductive and immature, that make this "unbearable".

Now you could just apologize at any time, but you keep digging yourself a hole, so I doubt you will.
Posted by MMB5DAP
Member since Jul 2013
1735 posts
Posted on 12/3/13 at 9:48 am to
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I get that, hes probaly going to be good, but your Offense scored 40 multiple times and you still lost 4 games no trying to hate just saying if your going to win in the SEC you have to have a good Defense


Agreed, I think the defense takes a step forward next year but is still nowhere near elite. Just not hot garbage.

All I'm saying about the QB position is you can have multiple talented people in a row. The same people who said A&M would have bad QB play after Tannehill are gonna be the same saying we will have bad QB play after Manziel. Sumlin has proven he can evaluate and develop QBs so I'm willing to lean toward optimism.
Posted by Hugh McElroy
Member since Sep 2013
17571 posts
Posted on 12/3/13 at 9:53 am to
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Yea but he isnt at Houston anymore, and he is losing JFF


He did the same thing as OC at OU. When we came into the SEC, you said that his offense wouldn't work in the SEC. But it has. Now you're saying the only reason it worked is because of Manziel. If A&M leads the league in offense again next year, will you finally admit that it is Sumlin?
This post was edited on 12/3/13 at 9:54 am
Posted by Vanilla Coke
Member since Jan 2013
1343 posts
Posted on 12/3/13 at 9:53 am to
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All I'm saying about the QB position is you can have multiple talented people in a row.


It's possible. Also, you don't need a QB like Manziel to win games if you have productive backs. If your RBs step up yall will be in good shape.
Posted by CrimsonPride
Houston, Tx
Member since Oct 2013
400 posts
Posted on 12/3/13 at 9:56 am to
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If A&M leads the league in offense again next year, will you finally admit that it is Sumlin?


Sure I will, but I dont think Sumlin made Manziel kid had talent already, he just did a good job recruiting and Texas did a horrible job not recruiting him

But he still needs a Defense or he aint winning the SEC and thats all that matters
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 12/3/13 at 9:58 am to
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TeLeFaWx


I call tons of people hoss. That offends you?

Just go away. You're adding nothing to this good conversation we're having. Can't you see that?

We don't want you in this thread.


Other Aggies,

Do you think the line maybe didn't run block well because they were never allowed to get in a groove because of the high volume of passing?

I know the OL talent was there, so it seems maybe it was scheme that hurt the run game more than anything.

Great news for yall to return so many young guys on defense. We do as well so next year should be interesting. LSU and TAMU mirror each other a bit with returning a young defense and replacing everyone on offense.

What style is the new QB? Dual threat, pocket passer, etc.? I know Sumlin had system pocket guys at Houston that didn't create like JFF.

Posted by Raid05
Houston
Member since Jan 2013
1105 posts
Posted on 12/3/13 at 10:09 am to
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What style is the new QB? Dual threat, pocket passer, etc.


Kenny Hill is a dual threat QB with over 3,000 yards passing and 1,000 yards rushing his SR year.

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This post was edited on 12/4/13 at 12:15 pm
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29179 posts
Posted on 12/3/13 at 10:13 am to
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Just go away. You're adding nothing to this good conversation we're having. Can't you see that?


I added plenty, but you refused to acknowledge them because it defied your premise that talent was absolutely 100% in no way shape or form the problem with our defense this year.

I talked about how we will go the next two years without a single defensive player drafted.

I talked about how our two best returning defenders next year were both true freshmen.

I talked about our defensive recruiting that includes the best defensive end in the country.

I talked about how Snyder didn't give up more than 30 points in any SEC game last year.

I have added plenty more than "Your problem wasn't talent hoss."

quote:

We don't want you in this thread.


You take yourself way too seriously.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29179 posts
Posted on 12/3/13 at 10:13 am to
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Sure I will, but I dont think Sumlin made Manziel kid had talent already, he just did a good job recruiting and Texas did a horrible job not recruiting him


Technically Mike Sherman recruited Manziel.
Posted by Sig
dallas
Member since Oct 2010
2035 posts
Posted on 12/3/13 at 10:18 am to
1. Who fills in for Johnny and Jake next year? What are your thoughts on the replacements?

Lots of people will say Kyle Allen, but I expect him to be the backup. Kenny Hill has been running the same "spread" that sumlin has run for a long time. In texas HS football, the middle schools almost always run the same offense that the HS they feed into runs.

These kids start at 6th grade working on learning a system. Now days, they take that same system and apply it to 7 on 7 in the summers and they get really damn good at it. You will notice the number of QB's coming out of texas in the last 10 years. This has everything to do with the grooming we have here. I expect over time, this will even out as Florida and other southeastern schools follow suit and ESPN legitimizes the 7 on 7 with TV viewing.

As for Jake... Ced O would be my guess. He is a hoss that has very long arms and is very athletic. He will also be a first rounder next year. He has already said he will be back.

2. What changes will be made on the defensive side of the ball in terms of coaching?

Nothing.. It is a bitter pill for the fans, but this is not about coaching. Snyder did more average players his first year than we've ever seen at A&M. Fans have a short memory though. Our administration knows what they have in snyder, and I highly doubt we make a change.

3. What key players/starters with experience are returning on both sides of the ball?

Instead of talking about individuals, I'll talk about groups. Our DL will be vastly improved next year due to recruits and a year in the weight room. These young guys will really bulk up under "Black Death" (our S&C coach.) Our endurance will be the biggest change IMO.

I have NEVER seen a team go from fat/slow to fast and nimble in a year like our first year in the SEC. Remember when A&M kept getting beat in the second half our last year in the big12? We were so out of shape, we couldn't play a full game. Sumlin said, "you can bet your arse we won't get beat because we are out of shape..."

Our LB's will be a lot better as we add a few guys that are highly rated, and we shuffle folks around. Claiborne has made huge strides in just a few games. I expect some of the other young guys to be much better next year.

Our DB's are where I am worried. We drop some serious gamers that were here for our first SEC year. They've been damn good despite our record.

The big question that remains is where will we find a serious pass rusher.... ? That is one of the biggest problems we had this year is dialing up the pressure. Snyder had to get tricky to make things happen unlike Mizzou being able to rush 4 and still get to the QB. We miss guys like Von Miller and Demontre Moore badly.

On O I don't see a major drop off on OL. We have some badass guys on that front. Or RB crew is at the top of the SEC despite what many may think.

I think Ricky Seals-Jones is a star waiting on his time. If he can stay healthy, I expect him to be much like DGB at mizz or maybe even as good as Mike. He is a bigger DGB that runs like a tailback. He played QB in HS and was amazing running the ball. His highlight film is something to see. Like watching godzilla crush japan. We were very lucky to land him.

With other young guys like Quiv and Jeremy Turbo, I am not worried about the slot receiver. Our biggest loss will be Kennedy and Labhart IMO.

We have so much talent. I find it hard to believe we will not be competitive despite what many on here think. Sumlin is fully invested in this, and I believe the kids (even recruits) are buying in en masse.
Posted by MMB5DAP
Member since Jul 2013
1735 posts
Posted on 12/3/13 at 10:28 am to
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We have so much talent. I find it hard to believe we will not be competitive despite what many on here think. Sumlin is fully invested in this, and I believe the kids (even recruits) are buying in en masse.


The worse people think A&M is, the better we usually play and vice versa unfortunately
Posted by leoj
Member since Nov 2010
3106 posts
Posted on 12/3/13 at 10:30 am to
1. Who fills in for Johnny and Jake next year? What are your thoughts on the replacements?

This has already been answered, Kenny Hill and Kyle Allen will be waiting in the wings. Then Cedric on OL with Juco help coming in which we need due to Aguilar getting hurt and some others only being serviceable backups so far.


2. What changes will be made on the defensive side of the ball in terms of coaching?

None I think, we had a very young defense and could barely put out an SEC caliber 2 deep. I don't know how we could be any worse next year and I don't think we will be, we only lose 1 starter.

3. What key players/starters with experience are returning on both sides of the ball?

Most of OL returns, lose only 1 rb, lose Evans and Labhart but get Seals-Jones back plus all the freshmen who redshirted. Hall and Golden played better as the year went along, Clairborne gets to move to his natural position, I think Mastrogiovanni showed flashes, then we get some players at corner to be opposite of Harris and hopefully someone at safety and we can keep Everett back there as well. Keep our kicker and punter as well.
Posted by khaos288
Member since Sep 2011
267 posts
Posted on 12/3/13 at 10:32 am to
JFF leaving will have less impact than most believe.

I'd rather have a system QB and the running power of trey williams, than how the offense evolved with Johnny and Mckinney this year.


Also, the defense will get better...can't get any worse
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