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Could Saban win a national championship at South Carolina?
Posted on 11/20/13 at 7:05 am
Posted on 11/20/13 at 7:05 am
Serious question. Lou Holtz built that into a respectable program, and Spurrier has raised to a highly competitive one. Those are two big names in coaching - Spurrier arguably a legendary name - and they have yet to win a conference title up to now.
Obviously, if he was given 15 years and unlimited resources, the answer is yes. But if Nick Saban were suddenly to take the South Carolina job with current expectations and talent, and we assume he has 5-6 years left before he retires...could he get it done?
Obviously, if he was given 15 years and unlimited resources, the answer is yes. But if Nick Saban were suddenly to take the South Carolina job with current expectations and talent, and we assume he has 5-6 years left before he retires...could he get it done?
Posted on 11/20/13 at 7:09 am to Crimson Legend
If the adminstration would give him the support...yes.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 7:09 am to Crimson Legend
Yes.
In the SEC, CNS could win Nattie at all schools except KY and Vandy- BUT if they devoted resources he could get them SEC east titles
Mizzou actually has great talent on defensive line and at WR this year.
In the SEC, CNS could win Nattie at all schools except KY and Vandy- BUT if they devoted resources he could get them SEC east titles
Mizzou actually has great talent on defensive line and at WR this year.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 7:20 am to Crimson Legend
Yes. South Carolina is a much better program than LSU was when Saban took over in 2000 and he turned them into a powerhouse and national champion. There's no reason why he can't do the same at South Carolina. Also, the SEC East is really down right with UGA, Tennessee and Florida all under-performing well below their standards. There's no reason why he can't go 11-1 or 12-0 with their schedule.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 7:32 am to Crimson Legend
Interesting thread.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 7:34 am to Crimson Legend
Now that he's established? Yes. If he would've have went there from Michigan State? No.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 7:34 am to Crimson Legend
Maybe a better question is could Saban have won as many titles at South Carolina had he gone from the Miami Dolphins straight to South Carolina. Going from Alabama to South Carolina the answer is obviously yes because of what he has accomplished at Alabama. The administration would be willing to devote the resources to him and players would be willing to go there.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 7:52 am to Crimson Legend
Not without the built in advantages of coaching at Bama.
Saban's ability to evaluate and accumulate talent has been vastly exaggerated. The reason his recruiting classes rank so high is because of the "Bama Bump"
that recruits get by the services when signed by Saban. The REC has infilitrated the services in order to give the appearance that Alabama has more talent than it
actually does. This helps with preseason rankings and gives them the benefit of the doubt over other non conference teams in the BCS standings. Do you think that USCe gets the benefit of the doubt that Alabama got in 2011 and 2012? Of course not. But if their talent on paper looks better, they might.
At USCe, CNS would not have the refs in his pocket like he does at Bama, nor would he have the scheduling advantages.
One only has to look at the NFL to see the fraud he has built at Bama. When the offensive line is allowed to hold at will, they create giant holes for their running backs to run through. The talent of these backs, and all of Bama's players really, are vastly overrated due to playing weak opponents and having the ref's on their side. This is why all of Saban's players are busts in the NFL.
There is no way that CNS could win a national title at South Carolina.
Saban's ability to evaluate and accumulate talent has been vastly exaggerated. The reason his recruiting classes rank so high is because of the "Bama Bump"
that recruits get by the services when signed by Saban. The REC has infilitrated the services in order to give the appearance that Alabama has more talent than it
actually does. This helps with preseason rankings and gives them the benefit of the doubt over other non conference teams in the BCS standings. Do you think that USCe gets the benefit of the doubt that Alabama got in 2011 and 2012? Of course not. But if their talent on paper looks better, they might.
At USCe, CNS would not have the refs in his pocket like he does at Bama, nor would he have the scheduling advantages.
One only has to look at the NFL to see the fraud he has built at Bama. When the offensive line is allowed to hold at will, they create giant holes for their running backs to run through. The talent of these backs, and all of Bama's players really, are vastly overrated due to playing weak opponents and having the ref's on their side. This is why all of Saban's players are busts in the NFL.
There is no way that CNS could win a national title at South Carolina.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 7:56 am to Crimson Legend
The only SEC schools where Saban couldn't win a natty are:
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Kentucky
Mizzou
Vanderbilt
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Kentucky
Mizzou
Vanderbilt
Posted on 11/20/13 at 8:13 am to Crimson Legend
Maybe but the Bama job is the perfect storm for Saban. Big stadium, they had just spent $100m on facilities, created an excellent achademic center, big time fan base that put 90k in the stands on Spring Game, and long time tradition that creates a base to build on.
Not sure USC has all that but I guess could get there.
Not sure USC has all that but I guess could get there.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 8:16 am to Crimson Legend
He'd be pulling in LA, Bama and Carolina recruits,
His dynasty would be unmatched.
His dynasty would be unmatched.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 8:39 am to Crimson Legend
I like to think yes. We are attracting above average talent already, and the boost Saban would give us would put us over the edge. If by some miracle, Saban leaves bama and heads down the road to Cola, I will be happier than a camel on wednesday.
The clemson tears alone would be worth it.
The clemson tears alone would be worth it.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 8:56 am to Crimson Legend
Saban can win anywhere in the SEC at this point based entirely on his coaching ability and his reputation.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 9:12 am to Crimson Legend
I don't know.
Saban has only won National Championships at programs that have won them before and with programs with more historic football success than SC has had.
His system recruits really well, it's a solid process, but it's added by catch phrases like, "come help us win our 16th National Championship," or "do you see all these rings?"
How much energy would Saban have left after he left Bama though? Would he just be looking for a place with good food, women and golf to spend his twilight years?
SC's next HC in 4-8 years is going to need to be a guy who's gone somewhere that hasn't had a lot of success prior and built that program into a National Title contender.
Saban has only won National Championships at programs that have won them before and with programs with more historic football success than SC has had.
His system recruits really well, it's a solid process, but it's added by catch phrases like, "come help us win our 16th National Championship," or "do you see all these rings?"
How much energy would Saban have left after he left Bama though? Would he just be looking for a place with good food, women and golf to spend his twilight years?
SC's next HC in 4-8 years is going to need to be a guy who's gone somewhere that hasn't had a lot of success prior and built that program into a National Title contender.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 9:14 am to Crimson Legend
He'd dominate the SEC East
Posted on 11/20/13 at 9:16 am to Crimson Legend
Absolutely.
The Nick Saban brand speaks for itself these days. Any program that he chooses to go to has instant credibility and will be able to recruit. If you get great players, you'll typically succeed. It's no coincidence that Bama consistently finishes #1 in the recruiting rankings and wins bigger than everyone else.
The Nick Saban brand speaks for itself these days. Any program that he chooses to go to has instant credibility and will be able to recruit. If you get great players, you'll typically succeed. It's no coincidence that Bama consistently finishes #1 in the recruiting rankings and wins bigger than everyone else.
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