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Honest question re: Clinton-Dix
Posted on 10/21/13 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 10/21/13 at 1:30 pm
This has probably been brought up but I didn't see it.
Full disclosure I'm an Auburn fan and I was too young to really know exactly what happened with the Eric Ramsey situation and too disillusioned to really care about the details of the latest cheating controversy at bama, the SEC, or CFB in general.
My elementary understanding is that an Auburn coach was recorded giving Ramsey money to feed his wife and child as Ramsey was basically crying to him begging for the help.
At bama a S&C coach was placed on administrative leave for giving Clinton-Dix money or some other sort of "impermissible benefits".
AU was placed on probation and 2 years of no television or bowl game.
Clinton Dix was suspended for 2 meaningless games and is now playing again.
So what are the main differences in the two situations that justify the two extreme (on the opposite end of the spectrum) "punishments"?
Full disclosure I'm an Auburn fan and I was too young to really know exactly what happened with the Eric Ramsey situation and too disillusioned to really care about the details of the latest cheating controversy at bama, the SEC, or CFB in general.
My elementary understanding is that an Auburn coach was recorded giving Ramsey money to feed his wife and child as Ramsey was basically crying to him begging for the help.
At bama a S&C coach was placed on administrative leave for giving Clinton-Dix money or some other sort of "impermissible benefits".
AU was placed on probation and 2 years of no television or bowl game.
Clinton Dix was suspended for 2 meaningless games and is now playing again.
So what are the main differences in the two situations that justify the two extreme (on the opposite end of the spectrum) "punishments"?
This post was edited on 10/21/13 at 1:31 pm
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Posted on 10/21/13 at 1:31 pm to RandySavage
Why not just call him by his full name
Ha'Sean HaHa Clinton-Dix
Ha'Sean HaHa Clinton-Dix
Posted on 10/21/13 at 1:32 pm to RandySavage
HaHa didn't know.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 1:32 pm to RandySavage
Clinton-Dix got $300 which he repaid. I have no idea why it's a big deal. It's certainly not cheating.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 1:32 pm to RandySavage
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So what are the main differences in the two situations that justify the two extreme (on the opposite end of the spectrum) "punishments"?
Different day and time, as well as the amount
Posted on 10/21/13 at 1:32 pm to RandySavage
We're Bama. We get special treatment. 'Preciate your interest in HaHa. 
Posted on 10/21/13 at 1:33 pm to RandySavage
Clintons-Dick always gets away with it.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 1:33 pm to RandySavage
Auburn had a payroll system set up for star players. And they had it for years. From top to bottom at Auburn it was known and the most powerful men at AU had their hands in it.
Clinton-Dix borrowed $300 from a weight training coach and paid it back. Big difference.
Clinton-Dix borrowed $300 from a weight training coach and paid it back. Big difference.
This post was edited on 10/21/13 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 10/21/13 at 1:35 pm to RandySavage
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AU was placed on probation and 2 years of no television or bowl game.
Clinton Dix was suspended for 2 meaningless games and is now playing again.
You are comparing the player punishment to the program punishment. They aren't the same.
Just because HaHa only got 2 games does not mean UA is in the clear. That sucks to say as a Bama fan, but it's the truth. The NCAA could still have something coming for the program for all we know.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 1:36 pm to RandySavage
Ramsey solicited money for play and all denied and hid it.
Dix repaid the amount he took, accepted responsibility and went through the NCAA to get reinstated.
Dix repaid the amount he took, accepted responsibility and went through the NCAA to get reinstated.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 1:36 pm to RandySavage
If I remember the Ramsey situation correctly, it wasn't simply some Dickensian fairy tale of some coach giving him money to feed his starving family. It was a series of payments over a long term and benefits over a long term, to the tune of considerably more than 500 dollars. Other factors include the fact that the money wasn't repaid and the violation wasn't self-reported. That last, especially, is a huge deal. That's why schools regularly issue annual reports of violations without any prompting whatsoever.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 1:36 pm to RandySavage
For starters Bama self reported , Auburn didn't.
Secondly , Auburn was paying players to make plays.
There isn't any comparisons.
Secondly , Auburn was paying players to make plays.
There isn't any comparisons.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 1:39 pm to RandySavage
Do you really think the 2 situations are similar? Alabama found out and self reported a small loan that has already been repaid, immediately suspended the player and soc assistant, waited for the ncaa to clear. Ramsey had audio tapes of coaches and booaters describing an extensive system of paying players
Posted on 10/21/13 at 1:47 pm to RandySavage
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an Auburn coach was recorded giving Ramsey money to feed his wife and child as Ramsey was basically crying to him begging for the help.
There's a little more to it than that. Crying and begging lol.
60 Minutes Special
Posted on 10/21/13 at 1:55 pm to RandySavage
If you listen to Ramsey, he'll tell you his loans weren't loans they were handshakes. There was nothing to pay back
If you listen to Clinton-Dix he'll tell his loans were loans not handshakes. His were paid back
If you listen to Dye, he'll tell you he knew nothing about it.
If you listen to Saban he'll tell you the coach involved is suspended pending an investigation.
It may be argued that the perception in Indianapolis was denial once it was brought to light versus being forthcoming and corrected.
I'm certain you'll find a different perspective for every person you ask.
If you listen to Clinton-Dix he'll tell his loans were loans not handshakes. His were paid back
If you listen to Dye, he'll tell you he knew nothing about it.
If you listen to Saban he'll tell you the coach involved is suspended pending an investigation.
It may be argued that the perception in Indianapolis was denial once it was brought to light versus being forthcoming and corrected.
I'm certain you'll find a different perspective for every person you ask.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 1:56 pm to RandySavage
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My elementary understanding is that an Auburn coach was recorded giving Ramsey money to feed his wife and child as Ramsey was basically crying to him begging for the help.
Larry Blakeney was the coach, and was showed the door at Auburn. Landed in Troy, and is one of the longest tenured head coaches in the NCAA. The phrase "keep it down home, cuz" was part of the recordings.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 2:03 pm to RandySavage
Haha
Posted on 10/21/13 at 2:05 pm to RandySavage
I was around and here is the biggest difference: Auburn covered it up - "keep it down home cuz." And Ramsey, for his own reasons, had a beef with Auburn (for him not being successful in the pros - yeah right) and wanted to bring them down.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 2:15 pm to RandySavage
Because Pat Dye the Coach and athletic director at the time denied and covered it up. The impermissible benefits that Pat denied were brought to his attention while he was in front of NCAA being questioned about impermissible benefits going on with tennis and other programs under his watch.
Auburn Head coach also serving Athletic director knew and tried to covered up. That's a big No No.
Auburn Head coach also serving Athletic director knew and tried to covered up. That's a big No No.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 2:20 pm to RandySavage
I'm not reading this whole thread, but there are a few significant differences in the facts.
Regardless of those differences, the biggest difference is that the NCAA doesn't punish schools like they used to. While the Dix infraction wasn't that big of a deal, there was a day and time when Bama would have lost a scholarship or two and been on probation for that. The NCAA used to over react often with their enforcement, now they error on the side of under punishing.
Regardless of those differences, the biggest difference is that the NCAA doesn't punish schools like they used to. While the Dix infraction wasn't that big of a deal, there was a day and time when Bama would have lost a scholarship or two and been on probation for that. The NCAA used to over react often with their enforcement, now they error on the side of under punishing.
This post was edited on 10/21/13 at 2:21 pm
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