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So has JFF lost a step?
Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:07 pm
I've read several people say this. I haven't got to watch him much this year, but I did notice his YPC is way down compared to last year. What's the rants opinion?
Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:11 pm to NATidefan
Beer Bryant brought this up in another thread last week, to which I posted the following response:
This discussion has been had on Ag boards as well. A few people saw what you saw; most say he looked the same. Some possible explanations for your observation:
- This year (as opposed to last) he's going through his progressions--which goes against his natural instinct to take off in the open field
- He's basically been working in the pocket since January. No running allowed in spring, summer, or fall camp. Could've been just a little rusty
- Added approx. 15# of muscle (entirely intentional. Johnny at 210# is more resilient than Johnny at 195#), which could impact his elusiveness
Again, most people disagreed with the "Johnny was slower" observation; but some saw what you saw. Guess we'll know more as the season progresses.
I'm one who happens to believe that JFF's speed isn't his strength; it's his vision & instincts that make him such a freak.
This discussion has been had on Ag boards as well. A few people saw what you saw; most say he looked the same. Some possible explanations for your observation:
- This year (as opposed to last) he's going through his progressions--which goes against his natural instinct to take off in the open field
- He's basically been working in the pocket since January. No running allowed in spring, summer, or fall camp. Could've been just a little rusty
- Added approx. 15# of muscle (entirely intentional. Johnny at 210# is more resilient than Johnny at 195#), which could impact his elusiveness
Again, most people disagreed with the "Johnny was slower" observation; but some saw what you saw. Guess we'll know more as the season progresses.
I'm one who happens to believe that JFF's speed isn't his strength; it's his vision & instincts that make him such a freak.
Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:13 pm to NATidefan
Lots of beer little conditioning will do that to most anybody
Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:17 pm to NATidefan
What he lost in his legs, he made up for in hand strength. This offseason was grueling.
Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:17 pm to NATidefan
Nope, saving it for your team. Why would he go 100%?
Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:18 pm to NATidefan
He's been drunk all season.
Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:18 pm to NATidefan
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I've read several people say this. I haven't got to watch him much this year, but I did notice his YPC is way down compared to last year. What's the rants opinion?
The defenses have been slow, he's been able to not dart around when he starts to feel pressure and work on his pocket passing. He doesn't look as fast out there, I will admit, but he also looks 15 pounds heavier.
Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:24 pm to NATidefan
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but I did notice his YPC is way down compared to last year.
4.2 yards per carry so far (13 carries for 67 yards)
He had 17 carries for 60 yards vs. Florida (3.5 ypc) and 13 carries for 124 yards vs. SMU (9.5 ypc) in our first two games last year.
That rounds out to 30 carries for 184 yards. (6.1 ypc).
What you aren't talking about, however is this:
vs. Florida (2012) - 23 for 30, 173 yards, 0 TD
vs. SMU (2012) - 20 for 36, 294 yards, 4 TD
That's 43 for 66, 467 yards and 4 TD after 2 games.
After 2 games this year, Manziel is 35 for 50 with 1 INT, 520 yards, and 6 touchdowns.
After 2 games in 2012, Manziel had played 7 total quarters, accounted for 651 yards and 7 touchdowns.
After 2 games in 2013, Manziel has played 5 total quarters and accounted for 587 yards and 7 touchdowns.
If you want to extrapolate, had Manziel played 7 quarters in the first two games of 2013, he would account for the following:
822 total yards, 10 TD.
Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:35 pm to NATidefan
There were a couple of plays where I thought he looked a bit slower, but on his touchdown run and the one where he trucked that guy at the goal line, he looked just as quick as ever.
As others have mentioned, I think it has more to do with his push to become more of a pocket passer.
As others have mentioned, I think it has more to do with his push to become more of a pocket passer.
Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:41 pm to NATidefan
Doesn't look as fast. He's trying so hard to be a pocket QB--maybe too hard.
There were several plays during which he should have taken off. I hope he starts to play within himself rather than conform to what others say he needs to be.
There were several plays during which he should have taken off. I hope he starts to play within himself rather than conform to what others say he needs to be.
Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:55 pm to NATidefan
I don't think he has lost a step. You have two things to look at...
First, SHSU was dirty and taking some cheap shots last year. No reason to risk getting a knee blown out if you don't have to.
Second, he wants to go to the NFL this year and a 6' white QB is not going to get drafted for his scrambling. He mentioned over the summer he was working on becoming a pocket passer and these first two games were great teams to work on it.
First, SHSU was dirty and taking some cheap shots last year. No reason to risk getting a knee blown out if you don't have to.
Second, he wants to go to the NFL this year and a 6' white QB is not going to get drafted for his scrambling. He mentioned over the summer he was working on becoming a pocket passer and these first two games were great teams to work on it.
Posted on 9/8/13 at 7:58 pm to NATidefan
Carrying all that money in your pockets will do that
Posted on 9/8/13 at 8:00 pm to NATidefan
He looks better to me than last year. Looks extremely concentrated on the Bama game. Looks like he wants to bend Saban over again.
aTm morale doesn't seem to be affected over all the JFF drama.
Aggies beat Bama 38 - 28
aTm morale doesn't seem to be affected over all the JFF drama.
Aggies beat Bama 38 - 28
Posted on 9/8/13 at 8:06 pm to NATidefan
Of course he won't ever be able to have success against that vaunted $aban D...wait, never mind.
Posted on 9/8/13 at 8:08 pm to NATidefan
They haven't been drawing up run plays for him and he has intentionally been trying to stand in the pocket and work on his reads.
According to our OC, in two games we've run a grand total of about 20 plays out of different formations. We haven't shown much of anything.
According to our OC, in two games we've run a grand total of about 20 plays out of different formations. We haven't shown much of anything.
This post was edited on 9/8/13 at 8:10 pm
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