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Posted on 12/20/13 at 7:35 pm to
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 12/20/13 at 7:35 pm to
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Good points and we all remember where Andrew Johnson called home. Unfortunately, Andy Jackson was a Democrat and Tennessee became largely Democrat Party in the population centers (as did most Southern States) during his term and after.

The North was actually less unified than the South, however, and Davis lamented the fact that Lincoln could impose martial law, suspend habeas corpus, parts of the First and Second Amendments as well as most of the Constitution when necessary to prosecute the invasion of the South, while he couldn't.

And remember that Missouri and Maryland both voted to secede and join the Confederacy, only to see the Federal Army prevent that by overthrowing the duly elected governments of those sovereign states.

Thanks for the reply.



Jackson would've stopped it before it started. In fact, he did stop it when he threatened Calhoun with troops in South Carolina. But unfortunately he only delayed the war as Calhoun's ideas would pick up steam later.

The US, imo, was doomed from the beginning to go to war if radical social and ideological changes didn't happen. We made a compromise for the sake of the Revolutionary War but we never did hammer out those issues the way we should've instead of putting them off.

Ironically, had Richard Henry Lee's wife, author of the Lee Resolution which was the Constitutional Congress' authorization to authorize and draft the Declaration of Independence, not fallen ill when it was time to draft the Declaration things might've turned out differently. Lee was highly influential in getting delegates to vote for independence and was an abolitionist who saw slavery as immoral and proposed a gradual phase out as a solution. When his wife fell ill the Declaration moved to Thomas Jefferson who was a disciple of sorts but without Lee there Jefferson lost his nerve and worried he couldn't gain support on a divisive issue (although Jefferson did include a condemnation of slavery in his first draft although more than one founding father warned that it would be our doom not to address the issue then and there).

It's funny to think how much the Lee family shaped American history and not just Richard Henry or Robert but other Lees.
Posted by BadLeroyDawg
Member since Aug 2013
848 posts
Posted on 12/21/13 at 5:59 am to
True enough, Prof, on the Lees' influence throughout our history. One Virginia Yankee Lee, Samuel Phillips Lee, grandson of Richard Henry Lee, and five years junior to Robert Edward, was instrumental in the blockade of his home state and others, being named Acting Rear Admiral and given command of the North Atlantic Blockading Squadron during September 1862.

Unfortunately, I believe you're right; the US was doomed to go to war if for no other reason than the division of power (and responsibility) between the individual states and the national government. The compromise that was made over slavery in the late 18th century could have easily been worked out before the dawn of the 20th century, IMHO, had fire-eaters and hard-core abolitionists been reigned in by their respective parties. Sounding familiar in today's political morass?
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