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Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:19 am to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:19 am to Roger Klarvin
The only reason they had so many yards was because they were trying to keep up. We were literally taking the ball from your offense on the regular. Not fluke turnovers, just flat out robbery
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Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:20 am to Swoopin
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"BOOM" is a registered trademark of the University of Florida, who hasn't beaten Auburn in 10 years, and hasn't beaten Texas A&M in 11 months
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 12:21 am
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:22 am to Nortizzle
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:24 am to GenesChin
Your stats are derived from MY OWN ADMISSION that Cam played a tougher schedule. I have always been the first to admit that. OF COURSE, given that both set records and won Heismans, the guy with tougher schedule is gonna have better numbers against ranked teams because he played more ranked teams.
However, you ignore the following: Manziel's last game action before this year was at a 3A HS, Cam played at Florida and in the junior college national title before Auburn. Additionally, Cam was named the starter early and took every practice rep as such all fall. Manziel was the backup until two weeks before gametime...and with all that he STILL broke Cam's records. He STILL took an unranked, perceived 5-7 team to 11 wins and a top-5 ranking. He STILL beat #1 Alabama and thrashed #10 OU.
By late next year if A&M is still losing games that Cam won, then you'll have a point.
However, you ignore the following: Manziel's last game action before this year was at a 3A HS, Cam played at Florida and in the junior college national title before Auburn. Additionally, Cam was named the starter early and took every practice rep as such all fall. Manziel was the backup until two weeks before gametime...and with all that he STILL broke Cam's records. He STILL took an unranked, perceived 5-7 team to 11 wins and a top-5 ranking. He STILL beat #1 Alabama and thrashed #10 OU.
By late next year if A&M is still losing games that Cam won, then you'll have a point.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:26 am to PortCityTiger82
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He won't tell me what he actually thinks about our defense that year since they had first hand experience with them
I believe I specifically said "they aren't even one of the five best defenses in Miles tenure".
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:28 am to Roger Klarvin
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is gonna have better numbers against ranked teams because he played more ranked teams.
Are you a fricking moron and don't understand basic statistics?
Raw numbers, absolutely he will have better stats. I will give you that. That said, there are some categories that don't add up in your argument
QB Rating- This stat is easy to compare as it is not raw totals but an average over the course of said games. Cam Newton outshines Manziel consistently
YPA- Cam Newton throws for more YPA than Manziel on average. Can't argue that as it is an average
INT- Cam Newton throws less INTs compared to Manziel in MORE GAMES as you admitted
YPG- Again, straight forward average
Cam Newton consistently rises to the occasion and performs significantly better in these games compared to games against lesser opponents.
Johnny Manziel performs worse on average the more difficult competition gets and in his losses all but disappears. Hard to compare to Cam, considering when the going gets tough, he skull fricks the competition and makes them his bitch and wins like a real best QB of all time
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:30 am to RBWilliams8
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No. They're using LSU, Bama, and all the other teams they beat... Which is all of them.
That's wonderful. Manziel beat every team with a losing record he faced by at least 31 points with an average of 39.8 PPG. Manziel only struggled against top-10 defenses. Cam beat three terrible teams by the skin of his teeth.
So if we're talking about all the "amazing" close games Cam pulled out, we should also be talking about the shitty team he struggled against and then beat in the end...teams Manziel was sitting on the sideline for by the end of the third quarter.
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 12:30 am
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:30 am to Roger Klarvin
Cam Newton vs Johnny Football
Cam Newton vs Johnny Football
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Manziel's last game action before this year was at a 3A HS, Cam played at Florida and in the junior college national title before Auburn. Additionally, Cam was named the starter early and took every practice rep as such all fall. Manziel was the backup until two weeks before gametime...and with all that he STILL broke Cam's records. He STILL took an unranked, perceived 5-7 team to 11 wins and a top-5 ranking. He STILL beat #1 Alabama and thrashed #10 OU.
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Cam played a tougher schedule
Cam Newton vs Johnny Football
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This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 12:34 am
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:31 am to Roger Klarvin
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That's wonderful. Manziel beat every team with a losing record he faced by at least 31 points with an average of 39.8 PPG. Manziel only struggled against top-10 defenses.
I can beat down syndrom kids in basketball too but when I go up against Lebron, I get my arse kicked just like Manziel did. Am I understanding your argument right?
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 12:31 am
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:32 am to Roger Klarvin
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I believe I specifically said "they aren't even one of the five best defenses in Miles tenure".
Count NFL players on that roster. You're retarded if you think that.
You honestly believe that there are 5 defenses better than Peterson, Claiborne, honey badger, Nevis, Montgomery, Edwards, mingo, adams, baker, minter, brockers, hatchet, levingston, logan, etc. (all NFL btw).
Shove your stats up your arse. Cam ran through an NFL defense... Your bias is ridiculous.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:33 am to GenesChin
Cam played one real year in the SEC and already had people claiming him to be one of if not the top QB in CFB history. No one has even come close to claiming that about JFF after his one year.
If someone had to choose a QB to win a big game for them no one but an A&M fan would take JFF over Cam. That is all that matters.
If someone had to choose a QB to win a big game for them no one but an A&M fan would take JFF over Cam. That is all that matters.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:33 am to GenesChin
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quote: That's wonderful. Manziel beat every team with a losing record he faced by at least 31 points with an average of 39.8 PPG. Manziel only struggled against top-10 defenses.
I can beat down syndrom kids in basketball too but when I go up against Lebron, I get my arse kicked just like Manziel did. Am I understanding your argument right?
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:33 am to GenesChin
Manziel also put up 350 yards and beat the first defense in 35 years to be #1 in points against, passing yards, rushing yards and QB rating. He set single-game individual yardage records against both MSU and OU, two ranked teams.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:33 am to Swoopin
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:34 am to RBWilliams8
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You honestly believe that there are 5 defenses better than Peterson, Claiborne, honey badger, Nevis, Montgomery, Edwards, mingo, adams, baker, minter, brockers, hatchet, levingston, logan, etc. (all NFL btw).
Based on production, yeah.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:35 am to Roger Klarvin
I am so confused. Is this about freshman newton against freshman manziel or a comparison of two actual years of football players playing football? This is making no sense.
I need to know how good they were in 9th grade to make my decision.
You are a starting qb for a top tier FB program it doesn't matter shite about how old you are or what year. Your performance matters.
If heisman had these two players up for the award newton would win because he led his team to victory EVERY TIME.
I need to know how good they were in 9th grade to make my decision.
You are a starting qb for a top tier FB program it doesn't matter shite about how old you are or what year. Your performance matters.
If heisman had these two players up for the award newton would win because he led his team to victory EVERY TIME.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:36 am to Rebel Land Shark
Our QB looks like more of a man in a fricking ferry costume
Than Johnny 2-Loss looks in a dog outfit
Than Johnny 2-Loss looks in a dog outfit
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:37 am to Roger Klarvin
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You honestly believe that there are 5 defenses better than Peterson, Claiborne, honey badger, Nevis, Montgomery, Edwards, mingo, adams, baker, minter, brockers, hatchet, levingston, logan, etc. (all NFL btw).
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Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:39 am to Swoopin
Btw in all fairness, I included that fairy picture in my post.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:39 am to RBWilliams8
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Count NFL players on that roster. You're retarded if you think that.
You honestly believe that there are 5 defenses better than Peterson, Claiborne, honey badger, Nevis, Montgomery, Edwards, mingo, adams, baker, minter, brockers, hatchet, levingston, logan, etc. (all NFL btw).
Shove your stats up your arse. Cam ran through an NFL defense... Your bias is ridiculous.
Well, Auburn bumped LSU from 6th in total defense nationally to 12th in one game in 2010. Point being that stats can be deceptive.
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 12:40 am
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