Once again, there's a difference between the boosters doing the dirty work, and the school itself lying to the NCAA and covering it up.

It's like Nixon and Watergate, Clinton's impeachment and Obama/Benghazi... it's not necessarily the original crime, it's the cover-up and lies that gets you into trouble.

A&M flat-out lied to the NCAA. Repeatedly. So did SMU.

I have yet to see one instance of the NCAA saying that Texas was anything but cooperative in the investigations. Instead, it's whine whine whine.

Newsflash: You fricking lied to the NCAA several times. No remorse, no "we'll take our punishment," very few if any self-reported violations. Your "internal reports" whitewashed the whole matters.

You lied. Deal with it.

Yet another example, for the slow-witted:

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Warren Gilbert Jr. told the Dallas Morning News that Coach R.C. Slocum, former vice president Robert Smith and others convinced him not to meet with investigators.

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Now, I have a question for CGSC Lobotomy.

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-Two major conferences ended (SWC, Big 8) as a result of their actions

Explain this one.

How did Texas kill the Southwest Conference? I'd like to hear your version of this, please.

Also, the Big 8 did not end, it expanded.

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Three other schools were abandoned and left for dead (SMU, Houston, Rice) One was thrown a life-raft 19 years later (TCU)

Seriously? You aggies have been looking to jump to the SEC for 20 years, and reneged on your pledge to stay in the Big 12, leaving small schools like Baylor in limbo. You are no saint in this matter of leaving behind Texas schools.

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Posted by Gradual_Stroke

Bee Cave, TX

Member since Oct 2012

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Posted on 5/29/13 at 12:15 pm to texashorn

Dude. You've been destroyed on every point you're trying to make, even after you keep moving the goalposts. Just stop.

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Posted by Mirthomatic

Member since Feb 2013

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Posted on 5/29/13 at 12:18 pm to texashorn

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Yet another example, for the slow-witted:

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Warren Gilbert Jr. told the Dallas Morning News that Coach R.C. Slocum, former vice president Robert Smith and others convinced him not to meet with investigators.

From your own link:

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Smith's attorney, Dick DeGuerin, called the allegations a lie. "There are documents showing the efforts of both (Smith) and the school to get this guy to cooperate," he said.

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Posted by CGSC Lobotomy

Member since Sep 2011

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Posted on 5/29/13 at 12:21 pm to texashorn

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Also, the Big 8 did not end, it expanded

Only 5 of the original Big 8 are still in the conference.

Last time I checked, going from 8 to 5 is not "expansion", nor is going from 12 to 10.

As far as killing the SWC, your school was the impetus. We saw an opportunity to move to the SEC once we caught wind that you were trying to move west.

Driving away Arkansas coupled with your puppet Dan Beebe being the lead investigator in bringing down SMU qualifies as bringing down a conference. If it weren't for Bullock, Richards, and their leeches, Baylor and Texas Tech would be left out in the wasteland with the other private schools and Houston.

The mark of quality leadership is that your organization thrives even when you do not.

That can be said of "Alabama running the SEC".

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Posted by CGSC Lobotomy

Member since Sep 2011

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Posted on 5/29/13 at 12:23 pm to texashorn

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and reneged on your pledge to stay in the Big 12

Loftin said, "We are committed to the Big 12 in its current form"...his emphasis, not mine.

As soon as the Longhorn Network came into play, "its current form" ceased to exist.

Also, if you take anything Bill Byrne said as the official word on how the school will go, Byrne found out very quickly that the University President makes those decisions, not the AD. Something your school should look into.

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Posted by TeLeFaWx

Dallas, TX

Member since Aug 2011

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Posted on 5/29/13 at 8:19 pm to texashorn

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Once again, there's a difference between the boosters doing the dirty work, and the school itself lying to the NCAA and covering it up.

tu coaches did the dirty work as well.

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It's like Nixon and Watergate, Clinton's impeachment and Obama/Benghazi... it's not necessarily the original crime, it's the cover-up and lies that gets you into trouble.

It is more like Holder and Fast and Furious in your case. When the head hancho likes you, and doesn't care, you have zero need to cover it up.

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A&M flat-out lied to the NCAA. Repeatedly. So did SMU.

So would any SWC program at the time. The going rate for a blue chip player was 50-100k cash. Coaches did the recruiting. Including the ones in burnt orange.

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I have yet to see one instance of the NCAA saying that Texas was anything but cooperative in the investigations. Instead, it's whine whine whine.

So what you're saying is, every other program cheated except tu?

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Newsflash: You fricking lied to the NCAA several times. No remorse, no "we'll take our punishment," very few if any self-reported violations. Your "internal reports" whitewashed the whole matters.

You would have had to lie as well. You were doing everything we were, they just weren't coming after you.