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The national opinion on Haith.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 3/21/13 at 3:05 pm
Local sports talk radio here in Vegas tends to talk about nationwide sports more than local due to the whole sports betting angle. I also think it brings a more intelligent/less homer angle to the coverage because most callers and all the hosts actually have money on the games.
The absolute panning of Haith as a coach is widespread. Every mention of Mizzou mentions him as a liability for the team.
Through my old gold colored glasses, I don't think he's too bad, but it's a recurring theme here. In the last two days there's been at least ten mentions of his coaching ability, none positive.
Is this normal everywhere outside of Missouri? The national press doesn't mention it much, but the sharp betting money seems to really dislike Haith.
The absolute panning of Haith as a coach is widespread. Every mention of Mizzou mentions him as a liability for the team.
Through my old gold colored glasses, I don't think he's too bad, but it's a recurring theme here. In the last two days there's been at least ten mentions of his coaching ability, none positive.
Is this normal everywhere outside of Missouri? The national press doesn't mention it much, but the sharp betting money seems to really dislike Haith.
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Posted on 3/21/13 at 3:29 pm to Mizzeaux
I'm feeling the same way about Haith. Don't think he is a good in game coach. That said I have Mizzou beating Louisville in my bracket.
I know everyone wanted to bash me for my the comments I made about the video of him taking the team off the court in Europe, but it was extremely telling if you take off the golden glasses. He's not a composed leader. And I think that is a huge huge thing for a coach, especially in basketball.
I know everyone wanted to bash me for my the comments I made about the video of him taking the team off the court in Europe, but it was extremely telling if you take off the golden glasses. He's not a composed leader. And I think that is a huge huge thing for a coach, especially in basketball.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 3:39 pm to Mizzeaux
Haith might not have coached well at Miami. I dunno. I do know his record at miami places his as probably the best coach in Miami history. That doesn't mean he was a good coach there. He was limited in the number of staff he could hire and he wasn't allowed to pay them well at all.
Since he has been at Mizzou I have seen nothing that indicates he is anything but a good coach. He installed a completely new offense for a group of kids that had been together for 3 years already and taught them how to run it perfectly. He installed a defensive philosophy that kept them out of foul trouble and dealt with a 7 man rotation and no height very well. Not to mention the group was divided and dysfunctional when he took them over.
Hell, even Bobby Knight went out of his way to say the coaching Haith did last year was as good as he has ever seen.
This year was going to be most likely a sub .500 season before Haith took over. He turned it into a dang good year by Mizzou standards. He did it with a bunch of transfers and that is hard. Transfers are transfers for a reason. If they were NBA lottery picks at their last schools, they'd still be there. Oriakhi might be the exception to that. He also lost a 1st team preseason all american mid year. How fricking bad did that hurt?
For perspective, if it was easy to win compiling a team full of transfers, wouldn't more coaches be doing it? They don't because it is very hard to get guys to just come in and mesh.
Another thing, he took a group of short players and produced one of the most efficient offenses in the country while playing 4 guards. This year, he has a very big and athletic team, completely changed the offense, and still coached them to being one of the most efficient offenses in the country. If that doesn't scream great coaching, what does?
He is also bringing in talented players. Next year's class might not be huge, but it is full of national level recruits. Plus, I really like NWC, Jankovic and Rosburg.
As he has been doing all of this, he has been fighting a cloud of NCAA violations hanging over his head which appear to be rather bogus. How he wasn't distracted by that is remarkable. He has been under the gun since the day he was hired and went out and won 50 games faster than anyone else in Mizzou history. Right now, his winning % over the last 2 years is in elite company.
Were there some letdowns this year? Sure. I think 99% of that was because Dixon is gone.
I could go on and on.
Is Haith perfect? Hell no. Is he a good coach? Yes. Is he a damn good coach? From what I can see, yes. Is he a great coach? No, not yet.
I think the national perspective mainly comes from ignorance. They just see a coach of a #2 seed who lost and judge him solely on that combined with some close losses due to terrible PG play.
Since he has been at Mizzou I have seen nothing that indicates he is anything but a good coach. He installed a completely new offense for a group of kids that had been together for 3 years already and taught them how to run it perfectly. He installed a defensive philosophy that kept them out of foul trouble and dealt with a 7 man rotation and no height very well. Not to mention the group was divided and dysfunctional when he took them over.
Hell, even Bobby Knight went out of his way to say the coaching Haith did last year was as good as he has ever seen.
This year was going to be most likely a sub .500 season before Haith took over. He turned it into a dang good year by Mizzou standards. He did it with a bunch of transfers and that is hard. Transfers are transfers for a reason. If they were NBA lottery picks at their last schools, they'd still be there. Oriakhi might be the exception to that. He also lost a 1st team preseason all american mid year. How fricking bad did that hurt?
For perspective, if it was easy to win compiling a team full of transfers, wouldn't more coaches be doing it? They don't because it is very hard to get guys to just come in and mesh.
Another thing, he took a group of short players and produced one of the most efficient offenses in the country while playing 4 guards. This year, he has a very big and athletic team, completely changed the offense, and still coached them to being one of the most efficient offenses in the country. If that doesn't scream great coaching, what does?
He is also bringing in talented players. Next year's class might not be huge, but it is full of national level recruits. Plus, I really like NWC, Jankovic and Rosburg.
As he has been doing all of this, he has been fighting a cloud of NCAA violations hanging over his head which appear to be rather bogus. How he wasn't distracted by that is remarkable. He has been under the gun since the day he was hired and went out and won 50 games faster than anyone else in Mizzou history. Right now, his winning % over the last 2 years is in elite company.
Were there some letdowns this year? Sure. I think 99% of that was because Dixon is gone.
I could go on and on.
Is Haith perfect? Hell no. Is he a good coach? Yes. Is he a damn good coach? From what I can see, yes. Is he a great coach? No, not yet.
I think the national perspective mainly comes from ignorance. They just see a coach of a #2 seed who lost and judge him solely on that combined with some close losses due to terrible PG play.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 6:26 pm to Mizzeaux
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Mizzeaux
I think this is kind of a one sided way to look at grading how good a coach is. Why? It's all about the money and the odds. It's about the wins, and not accomplishments. I'm sure with all the hype and the number one seeding in last years tourny. Alot of folks probably had them going far in thier brackets. When they lost in the first round, it probably blew up alot of brackets and bets. That would tend to piss off some people with Haith and Mizzou resulting in some bad publicity or comments.
When it comes to bets and money, people tend to ignore accomplishments. It comes down to winning to achieve praise from those people.
I don't put alot of stock in opinions of bettor's when I'm not betting. Haith has accomplished alot in two seasons with little to no recruits. Just hand-me-downs and transfers. Tough job and I think he handled it pretty well.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 8:31 pm to Mizzeaux
I've always considered him a liability. I was one of the few who didn't get caught up in the moment last year
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