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re: Hugh Freeze Quote Ayn Rand????
Posted on 2/6/13 at 2:28 am to KaiserSoze99
Posted on 2/6/13 at 2:28 am to KaiserSoze99
Charity is great, really, but charity can't help every single person that's in poverty. That's why welfare exists. Welfare can help people get out of poverty which in turn is good for the economy. I don't understand the idea that socialism and anything socialist is inherently bad or faulty. Outside of us, most wealthy, first world countries have universal health care and the quality and efficiency of that health care is a good deal better than it is here.
Of course, part of the problem here is government corruption from top to bottom. That's a problem that's practically unsolvable at this point.
Of course, part of the problem here is government corruption from top to bottom. That's a problem that's practically unsolvable at this point.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 9:38 am to BorisJonson
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Charity is great, really, but charity can't help every single person that's in poverty. That's why welfare exists. Welfare can help people get out of poverty which in turn is good for the economy. I don't understand the idea that socialism and anything socialist is inherently bad or faulty. Outside of us, most wealthy, first world countries have universal health care and the quality and efficiency of that health care is a good deal better than it is here.
Of course, part of the problem here is government corruption from top to bottom. That's a problem that's practically unsolvable at this point.
Welfare helps people get out of poverty? Seriously? Clearly you have never researched anything about welfare. The overwhelming majority of people on welfare become dependent on it as well as other government assistance programs. It has become a multi generational problem that has poured gasoline on to the destruction of families in poverty by actually incentivizing people to have children out of wedlock.
Universal HC is a disaster in most countries. It provides low quality care at a ridiculous price tag. My neighbor is from Edmonton. When he moved here in '07 if you needed an MRI it was a 6 month wait. Why? There were 5 MRI machines in the entire Province of Alberta, and they were old ones. Preventative care is decent and emergency care was good but anything else and you were looking at very, very long waits for very poor quality by US standards. Of course his taxes were only 48% of all income above $45k with no deductions for his 4 kids or his mortgage for that "free" health care.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 11:53 am to BorisJonson
I agree with agressor said about virtually zero evidence that welfare helps people get out of poverty. In fact, evidence suggests the exact opposite.
But, to your point and mine. The hog was arguing that Jesus was a socialist. Like the comment about welfare and poverty, there is simple ZERO evidence. The texts indicate quite the opposite.
So, we have two guys here praising the welfare state and offering contradicting evidence of its greatness.
I suppose we should let this thread die or get an anchor.
But, to your point and mine. The hog was arguing that Jesus was a socialist. Like the comment about welfare and poverty, there is simple ZERO evidence. The texts indicate quite the opposite.
So, we have two guys here praising the welfare state and offering contradicting evidence of its greatness.
I suppose we should let this thread die or get an anchor.
This post was edited on 2/6/13 at 11:55 am
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