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re: Does Southern Cal not even bother with anyone below 4 stars?
Posted on 1/29/13 at 6:20 pm to GenesChin
Posted on 1/29/13 at 6:20 pm to GenesChin
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Not all the kids have the grades to qualify for Stanford.
Stanford dropped their voluntary higher standards for scholorship athletes three years ago. Any player who qualifies with basic NCAA clearinghouse and California state requirements can play there now.
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Posted on 1/29/13 at 6:22 pm to CowTownReb
I wasnt talking about aesthetic appeal. Its a great venue in the same way the Rose Bowl, Lambeau Field and Madison Square Garden are great venues.
Posted on 1/29/13 at 6:24 pm to aggressor
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One other big point in their favor is LA has no NFL team and thus USC is the defacto NFL team. They are the biggest thing going in the Fall for a population of nearly 10 million, even though a lot of LA folks don't care about football you can't help but be successful with that going for you. USC is also a very good school that is private and thus able to coddle athletes more than a public school can even though it is in a crap part of town.
Texas gets some of the same benefit in Austin. It's a smaller metro than LA but it is a college football crazed area. They benefit tremendously from local businesses that buy luxury seating and boxes that may not have any affiliation with the school directly.
solid post
Posted on 1/29/13 at 7:39 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I wasnt talking about aesthetic appeal. Its a great venue in the same way the Rose Bowl, Lambeau Field and Madison Square Garden are great venues.
I guess I don't see it. I went to the Olympics in that stadium back in 1984, and it was bad then too.
And I think you're dead wrong about Los Angeles being a football crazy town. It is basketball crazy town. Nobody here even cares that there is no pro football team, that's how little they care.
Posted on 1/29/13 at 7:45 pm to CowTownReb
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he reason they got those great players was because they were paying them, ala Reggie Bush and the rest of those 5-Star athletes.
That's obviously been well-documented.
could you show me proof that Reggie was being paid by USC? or any other players for that matter? thanks in advance
BTW I see Ole Miss is paying everyone this year which is the only reason you guys are getting top recruits. see how easy that is
Posted on 1/29/13 at 8:21 pm to RLDSC FAN
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could you show me proof that Reggie was being paid by USC? or any other players for that matter? thanks in advance
BTW I see Ole Miss is paying everyone this year which is the only reason you guys are getting top recruits. see how easy that is
You mean the removal of everything Bush from USC, the banning of your coach, Todd McNair, from engaging in off-campus recruiting -- as well as the settling of the case out of court for an undisclosed sum? And I won't even get into the NCAA restrictions.
If a coach knows about the payment, which was the case of McNair, then he is complicit in the payment. That is on your staff and on your school.
Asking proof of payment is like asking for proof we went to the moon. Evidence is there through action, and if it wasn't true -- I imagine USC wouldn't have reacted by banning Reggie Bush from the USC record books.
I tell you what...
What don't you tell me whether or not you believe Pete Carroll was cheating. And whether or not you're angry about his leaving.
If you're not, you might be the only USC fan I've ever talked to in my life that was happy with that situation. Can't have it both ways. Either he cheated and skipped town before the hammer hit, or he never cheated (because USC doesn't cheat) and it was just a golden opportunity.
Which is it? Can't have it both ways. Can't tell me you weren't extending gifts under Carroll's watch and be upset, while at the same time claiming there's no proof. So, again... which is it?
This post was edited on 1/29/13 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 1/29/13 at 8:27 pm to InLesWeTrust
Kiffin sure doesn't seem to place any value on OL/DL. Only 3 in the class total? No wonder they are so soft.
Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:32 pm to CowTownReb
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the banning of your coach, Todd McNai
this is funny. Maybe you haven't heard but McNair's about to get paid by the NCAA. We had no choice but to not renew his contract due to the NCAA, but trust me when I say coach mcnair will be just fine.
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If a coach knows about the payment, which was the case of McNair, then he is complicit in the payment
Link?
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What don't you tell me whether or not you believe Pete Carroll was cheating. And whether or not you're angry about his leaving.
why would I be angry? I love coach Pete and love what he's doing up at Seattle. See you still haven't proved that Pete was paying him. you can say he was naive and may didn't do anything about it but the truth is USC was not paying Reggie Bush. Bush was being paid by some wannabe agents who wanted him to "LEAVE USC" and sign with their agency. but don't let facts get in the way.
So I'll ask again show me proof that USC was paying all their players during Carrolls run like you mentioned?
BTW did you see Laquon Treadwell posting those pics with all that cash? lol. but hey let me guess Ole Miss plays by the rules and they would never pay any players
Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:34 pm to bayoujd
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Kiffin sure doesn't seem to place any value on OL/DL. Only 3 in the class total?
We loaded up on Oline last year and already have 3 commited for next year so Oline should be fine. You're right about the Dline thou, we have improve there. Trying to get Vanderdoes to recommit should be priority #1
Posted on 1/30/13 at 2:03 am to RLDSC FAN
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this is funny. Maybe you haven't heard but McNair's about to get paid by the NCAA. We had no choice but to not renew his contract due to the NCAA, but trust me when I say coach mcnair will be just fine.
Nice no-response deflection.
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Link?
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"Former USC running backs coach Todd McNair, who was cited by the NCAA for being aware of violations that led to heavy sanctions against the Trojans’ football program, is appealing the NCAA’s ruling and its penalties, claiming that investigators committed misconduct."
He was cited for "being aware." It can't be spelled out any clearer. Those were the findings that were appealed.
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why would I be angry? I love coach Pete and love what he's doing up at Seattle. See you still haven't proved that Pete was paying him. you can say he was naive and may didn't do anything about it but the truth is USC was not paying Reggie Bush. Bush was being paid by some wannabe agents who wanted him to "LEAVE USC" and sign with their agency. but don't let facts get in the way.
Here's a fact that you seem to have overlooked. I never said "USC paid them." I said "they" did, meaning a third party that handles payment. Surely you're not insinuating I said that payment would be traced back to the university (ala SMU in the 80's), because that would be so stupid of an accusation it would be insane.
I never said "all the players," either. Again, your invention of a straw-man argument to topple easily is not something I overlook. So, it appears you are the one that needs to worry about facts. Try to stick to them.
Keeping trying, though. I enjoy watching you invent aspects to an argument I never made.
This post was edited on 1/30/13 at 2:12 am
Posted on 1/30/13 at 7:17 am to CowTownReb
How many titles does USC have with all these top recruiting classes, since the BCS era started? And how many that count? Oh yeah. Nothing to be proud of.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 8:47 am to CatsGoneWild
Well to be fair they did just get off probation. USC won't be down for long not with the classes they pull in.
This post was edited on 1/30/13 at 8:48 am
Posted on 1/30/13 at 9:13 am to InLesWeTrust
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How do they perennially land so many top notch players?
They pay well and the checks clear
Posted on 1/30/13 at 9:27 am to CowTownReb
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Not sure what you're talking about. Amazing venue? The Colosseum is an absolute dump. It's so bad, in fact, that it's the reason that pro teams have refused to come to LA, because the city wanted them to play there.
If you're simply talking about aesthetic value, you could say the same thing about Tiger Stadium. Tiger Stadium isn't special because of its modernity or design. It's special because of the noise, the fans that make the building come alive.
Even in this era of big money in college football, any University that plows money into creating a Cowboys Stadium-like building is stupid. The Coliseum is fine for USC football. NFL football is another thing. But for USC, what's the objection?
Posted on 1/30/13 at 9:27 am to GalvoAg
They keep making Kiffin hires they could sign the top 25 players every single year and never go to a BCS game.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 9:51 am to CowTownReb
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This.
No matter who the coach is or the state of the program, they will still get some of the top recruits.
Yeah, but that's not the way it used to be. And it could certainly revert back to the way it was. USC has sub-par facilities and is in an absolutely atrocious (if not dangerous) part of Los Angeles.
I remember one player was hit on the practice field by a stray bullet, fired over a 1/4 mile away.
Not to mention that people in Los Angeles don't care about football. In fact, the entire state doesn't really care. At least not like they do in the South. We don't even have a professional football team here. You know what they care about? The Lakers. That's it. USC is an afterthought.
New 110k sq foot John McKay Center
I completely agree that California is nowhere near as football crazed as the South. It doesn't have to be though. There are 10 million people that live in LA and no NFL team. The Lakers, Dodgers, and Kings don't play in the Fall either. What else are folks going to do?
UCLA has no support though it's a much prettier campus in a much better part of town. They have no fans. USC though has a ton of history and a lot of style. They also have some very, very wealthy alumni that support the program. California also still produces the most FBS players simply because of volume and most of them come out of LA. It's fish in a barrel.
It's not like being a USC football player in LA is a rough life either. LA is an awfully fun town if you have some star quality. If a kid comes out to USC on a recruiting visit they can show them a good time in ways other schools simply can't. The clubs, the beaches, and the scene in general in LA can blow away a 17 year old kid.
I agree the Coliseum is a dump but players typically don't care, that's not where they sit. Besides there really isn't any team in California that has a stadium or support like you see all over the SEC. Not many California kids want to move 3 time zones away though.
The cheating stuff is just stupid to me though. Did USC cheat? I'm sure they did but that doesn't exactly set them apart. How many elite programs are truly clean? Some are just better at skating the rules or covering their tracks than others.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 10:10 am to dallasga6
How did you manage to get all my ex-girlfriends together for a picture?
Posted on 1/30/13 at 10:35 am to CowTownReb
Pete Carroll or Ed Orgeron has been at USC for the last decade plus. USC didn't pull that many 5 stars prior to the Carroll era. He took USC to an unrealistic level for any other program outside of maybe Alabama.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 10:35 am to CowTownReb
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Here's a fact that you seem to have overlooked. I never said "USC paid them
this is what you said earlier in this thread:
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The reason they got those great players was because they were paying them, ala Reggie Bush and the rest of those 5-Star athletes
yeah I made all that up
Posted on 1/30/13 at 4:10 pm to RLDSC FAN
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this is what you said earlier in this thread:
No, that is not what I said earlier in the thread. I posted what I wrote earlier in the thread.
Now you're just sticking with your earlier claim because I've shown you to be wrong. And in fact, you quoted my very post within the body of your response, and yet still claim it says something it doesn't.
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