re: How many football games does Mississippi State win in 2013?

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Do I need to list every other mega booster's actual contributions to the university? Or is seeing their name on all the athletics buildings and half the university buildings overall enough for you?

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All you did was name drop engie. That doesn't prove anything. I can literally do the exact same thing to the exact same effect.

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I've had 2 scholarship-level boosters @ OM tell me directly that they are jealous of the Seal and Mize estates that are now tied to MSU.

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I'ave had two State fans tell me that they had all the sad after the Egg Bowl and began contemplating seppuku.

Hearsay on the internet isn't valuable, engie.

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Funny thing is that Mize willed an undisclosed lump sum believed to be between $50 and $100 million to MSU earmarked for the sole purpose of "getting and keeping a coach worth a damn or getting rid of one that isn't."

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Link? Not doubting you, but even you can see how far-fetched this sounds.

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This is why MSU fans in the know lol @ the implication that we will ever lose a coach over money.

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Strawman, again. Who in this thread has ever said anything about State's ability to pay coaches? Who here has suggested you would lose a coach due to being unable to pay him?

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I don't know how to quantitatively prove that -- but it's accepted truth among high-level social circles @ OM.

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You don't know how to prove it, yet you expect me to believe it? And you can't just say "it's accepted truth" and leave it at that. That's not evidence, engie. It's hearsay, like most of your arguments.

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Surely, you aren't saying the lowly ole farmers have outinvested every single year for as far back as I can currently find.

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No, because that's not even what your own link says. In 2012, our endowment grew by 19.5% per your link. Yours grew by 19%. So in the first link you have your statement is proven false.

Again, I've conceded that State has done a fine job of raising money. Why it's so hard for you to reciprocate in the face of the evidence is beyond me (aside from the fact that you're super insecure 'n' shite).

Also, I'll give the grinderz credit: our endowment took a huge hit due to the economic downturn (It's something that I've heard before and your links support that). We have a lot of our endowment tied up in stocks, bonds, and funds, whereas y'all have a lot of yours tied up in land and other real assets. So the structure of your endowment means that economic downturns don't impact you as adversely. Nicely done, grinderz.

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My goal wasn't to dabble into specifics -- but to show a trend.

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The trend is that we're both on the upswing both in terms of finances and academic opportunities for our students. Ultimately, this is good for Mississippi. Why you think this is something over which we should compete is ridiculous.

I spoke with Roger Wicker and Thad Cochran briefly at an event on the HIll a few years back, where they said that most Mississippians would be shocked to see how they work to get federal funding for all of the state's schools, regardless of their affiliation. As far as academics go and offerings available to Mississippians, I salute both Ole Miss and State for working hard to improve. As far as football goes, I hope y'all prepare your anuses, because Freeze is going in dry (after begging god for forgiveness).

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OM was ~ 20% more expensive to attend. No idea about now -- I know MSU has increased tuition every single year. OM is also 30 years older -- no idea how that applies.

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I have no idea what the figures are but I always assumed they were comparable. I'm too lazy to look it up. Ole Miss did recently raise out of state admission standards and tuition, which is a good thing.

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I made a post that the gap is closing -- and I've backed it up with the reasons why.

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Your initial argument was that State is getting richer and Ole Miss is getting poorer or something. That's my source of contention.

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Williams is not a Mississippian -- He lives in FLA. The list I was referring to was of Forbes billionaires. There are currently no Mississippians on the list(nor does Williams appear to be on the current list -- although I can see no reference anywhere of him losing wealth). Again, my post was to paint in generalities -- not precision. It was "clear", you just chose to nitpick.

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I think you just chose to use a bad source. I don't know if this is true or not, but could it be that the Forbes list is incomplete? Not everyone's finances are public or divulged for the sake of a magazine. This could be a complete rumor, but it's an interesting point: I've heard that there are more wealthy people in Mississippi than we may realize, they just don't make such public.

But who knows.

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You had better check again. Any number that's "a few hundred" also includes UMC, which is literally filled with alumni of other institutions. Most of an alumni's long-term support statistically goes to the 4-yr undergrad. The difference is almost 4k between Oxford and Starkville.

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Those are good points, but I still don't think they prove anything. Again, I've demonstrated that universities that are much smaller than ours can (and do) have a lot more money than ours. The number of students isn't the best indicator of fundraising capabilities. At least nothing you've shown has demonstrated that.

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I can't. Nor was it my intention. If MSU grads make more $$ on average, and there is more people graduating yearly, it stands to reason that -- as time goes on -- there will be a larger and larger influx of donations.

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Again see above. They're linked, but not inexorably.