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Posted on 11/21/12 at 2:37 pm to Scoob
Posted on 11/21/12 at 2:37 pm to Scoob
Regarding some of the guys arguing how A&M is more desirable than Oklahoma...
ok you go with that.
Quick thoughts here- 1st off, the state of Indiana isn't very big in and of itself. It also has several schools in the B1G, in Indiana and Purdue. So why anyone would want that other school, you know, the one in South Bend, doesn't make a lick of sense. Not with your argument. You're much better served getting Rutgers out of New Jersey, Pitt out of Pennsylvania, or especially Syracuse out of New York.
Now, does anyone truly think that?
Next argument: oh my, the size of the school and enrollment. A&M is big. Oh boy; and you know what else? Miami, the U- it's fricking tiny. Still under 10 thousand, if my guess is correct. Can't understand anyone wanting the Hurricanes, ever, not with that enrollment.
Again, flawed argument.
Why these examples? Because you can legitimately include Oklahoma in FOOTBALL COMPARISONS with Miami and Notre Dame. National drawing power. Brand name. You can't do that with A&M. I'm sorry if there are some Aggie homers out there that this offends, but it's true.
There are very few marquee teams out there. Oklahoma is one of them (and btw moreso than Texas). It appears that it is the most likely to be in play right now, and it's interesting that the SEC's expansion to 14 (a very odd number) creates a very friendly set of dynamics for Oklahoma to consider. Oklahoma fits right into the map between Missouri and Texas (and this wouldn't have been the case without these new teams), and most minor sports could travel around the league with minimally more expense than it does in the Big 12.
ok you go with that.
Quick thoughts here- 1st off, the state of Indiana isn't very big in and of itself. It also has several schools in the B1G, in Indiana and Purdue. So why anyone would want that other school, you know, the one in South Bend, doesn't make a lick of sense. Not with your argument. You're much better served getting Rutgers out of New Jersey, Pitt out of Pennsylvania, or especially Syracuse out of New York.
Now, does anyone truly think that?
Next argument: oh my, the size of the school and enrollment. A&M is big. Oh boy; and you know what else? Miami, the U- it's fricking tiny. Still under 10 thousand, if my guess is correct. Can't understand anyone wanting the Hurricanes, ever, not with that enrollment.
Again, flawed argument.
Why these examples? Because you can legitimately include Oklahoma in FOOTBALL COMPARISONS with Miami and Notre Dame. National drawing power. Brand name. You can't do that with A&M. I'm sorry if there are some Aggie homers out there that this offends, but it's true.
There are very few marquee teams out there. Oklahoma is one of them (and btw moreso than Texas). It appears that it is the most likely to be in play right now, and it's interesting that the SEC's expansion to 14 (a very odd number) creates a very friendly set of dynamics for Oklahoma to consider. Oklahoma fits right into the map between Missouri and Texas (and this wouldn't have been the case without these new teams), and most minor sports could travel around the league with minimally more expense than it does in the Big 12.
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Posted on 11/21/12 at 2:52 pm to Scoob
You are mixing apples and oranges.
Yes OU has more media recognition, national titles, etc than A&M.
A&M has a larger pool of people as potential SEC network content subscribers.
Two different criteria all together.
Yes OU has more media recognition, national titles, etc than A&M.
A&M has a larger pool of people as potential SEC network content subscribers.
Two different criteria all together.
Posted on 11/21/12 at 4:28 pm to Scoob
You really don't understand the motivations of conference expansion do you? Nor do you understand anything about how the TV contracts work or about how the money is made, both currently or in the future.
Your argument makes logical sense to the casual observer, I agree with that much, but it is tremendously far off in terms of financial realities.
This isn't about "people actually watching the games." It is about "people demanding the games(SEC network) in a given viewing area as part of their basic cable package" thus allowing the price/subscriber to be driven up. In this regard, OU brings about 1/5 of the $$ to the table that aTm does. Now, they make up some of the difference in tier 1(CBS games) appeal, but it is not even CLOSE to enough to overcome the previous deficit.
This will be obvious when the reworked tier 1(CBS) and tier 2(ESPN) SEC contract is revealed. I'm betting that the increases are minimal in tier 1(aTm not bringing a ton of national appeal) but MUCH more substantial on tier 2(which is a much larger portion of the total contract anyway)... but tier 3 is where the MEGAbucks lie in the future...and also an aspect in which OU brings VERY little to the table.
LINK / This explains it somewhat(about the SEC adding Mizzou and aTm). We were already outpacing everyone else by 25% in football viewership before this addition. It'll be 40% plus now. That means we should(and will) make 40% more total tv revenue than everyone else once all the pieces are in place...
Your argument makes logical sense to the casual observer, I agree with that much, but it is tremendously far off in terms of financial realities.
This isn't about "people actually watching the games." It is about "people demanding the games(SEC network) in a given viewing area as part of their basic cable package" thus allowing the price/subscriber to be driven up. In this regard, OU brings about 1/5 of the $$ to the table that aTm does. Now, they make up some of the difference in tier 1(CBS games) appeal, but it is not even CLOSE to enough to overcome the previous deficit.
This will be obvious when the reworked tier 1(CBS) and tier 2(ESPN) SEC contract is revealed. I'm betting that the increases are minimal in tier 1(aTm not bringing a ton of national appeal) but MUCH more substantial on tier 2(which is a much larger portion of the total contract anyway)... but tier 3 is where the MEGAbucks lie in the future...and also an aspect in which OU brings VERY little to the table.
LINK / This explains it somewhat(about the SEC adding Mizzou and aTm). We were already outpacing everyone else by 25% in football viewership before this addition. It'll be 40% plus now. That means we should(and will) make 40% more total tv revenue than everyone else once all the pieces are in place...
This post was edited on 11/21/12 at 4:38 pm
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