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Examining Tennessee's 6 claimed National Titles
Posted on 7/11/12 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 7/11/12 at 10:28 pm
People give Bama an awful lot of flack for their bogus titles (and rightfully so) but other schools are just as guilty of this practice as they are and seem to go by unscathed. I'm here to remedy this and today we'll be looking at the Tennessee Volunteers, who claim National Titles in 1938, 1940, 1950, 1951, 1967 and 1998.
1938
The Vols went 11-0 and Won the Orange Bowl, which is an outstanding season, especially when you consider that they only gave up 16 points all year. Even by 1938 standards that's damn impressive. However, they actually finished #2 in the only major poll that existed in 1938, the AP (to Davey O'Brien and TCU). As dominant as these Vols were, you just can't call them National Champions. This is the first time I've ever considered recognizing a team that didn't finish #1 in the AP or the Coaches poll, but I just can't do it in good conscience.
ruling: NOT LEGIT
1940
Thankfully, 1940 is much easier. The Vols finished FOURTH in the AP behind Minnesota, Stanford and Michigan.
ruling: NOT LEGIT
1950
The Vols AGAIN finished 4th in the AP. They also finished 3rd in the UPI and lost a regular season game to Mississippi State. Oklahoma went undefeated during the regular season and finished #1 in both polls. The Sooners lost their bowl game to Bear Bryant's Kentucky Wildcats but the vols have no problem claiming 1940 even though they lost the Sugar Bowl. In any event it doesn't matter because they didn't sniff #1 in either poll.
ruling: NOT LEGIT
1951
In 1951 Tennessee went unbeaten and were named National Champion by both the UPI and AP
ruling: LEGIT
1967
The Vols went 9-2 and finished #2 to 10-1 USC in both polls.
ruling: NOT LEGIT
1998
The Vols won the inaugural BCS title
ruling: LEGIT
So there you have it, the Tennessee Volunteers claim 4 Bogus National Titles.
1938
The Vols went 11-0 and Won the Orange Bowl, which is an outstanding season, especially when you consider that they only gave up 16 points all year. Even by 1938 standards that's damn impressive. However, they actually finished #2 in the only major poll that existed in 1938, the AP (to Davey O'Brien and TCU). As dominant as these Vols were, you just can't call them National Champions. This is the first time I've ever considered recognizing a team that didn't finish #1 in the AP or the Coaches poll, but I just can't do it in good conscience.
ruling: NOT LEGIT
1940
Thankfully, 1940 is much easier. The Vols finished FOURTH in the AP behind Minnesota, Stanford and Michigan.
ruling: NOT LEGIT
1950
The Vols AGAIN finished 4th in the AP. They also finished 3rd in the UPI and lost a regular season game to Mississippi State. Oklahoma went undefeated during the regular season and finished #1 in both polls. The Sooners lost their bowl game to Bear Bryant's Kentucky Wildcats but the vols have no problem claiming 1940 even though they lost the Sugar Bowl. In any event it doesn't matter because they didn't sniff #1 in either poll.
ruling: NOT LEGIT
1951
In 1951 Tennessee went unbeaten and were named National Champion by both the UPI and AP
ruling: LEGIT
1967
The Vols went 9-2 and finished #2 to 10-1 USC in both polls.
ruling: NOT LEGIT
1998
The Vols won the inaugural BCS title
ruling: LEGIT
So there you have it, the Tennessee Volunteers claim 4 Bogus National Titles.
This post was edited on 7/11/12 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 7/11/12 at 10:29 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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People give Bama an awful lot of flack for their bogus titles (and rightfully so) but other schools are just as guilty of this practice as they are and seem to go by unscathed.
We keep saying this, but no one listens. Just take a gander at the title claims by Notre Dame and Michigan.
Posted on 7/11/12 at 10:30 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Damn, Tennessee sucks
Posted on 7/11/12 at 10:32 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Anybody got the number of total national championships claimed over the past 70 years? I bet its over 150.
Posted on 7/11/12 at 10:35 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Come to Neyland and take 'em down, buddy.
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Posted on 7/11/12 at 10:42 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Examining Tennessee's 6 claimed National Titles
Posted on 7/11/12 at 10:51 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I don't really give Bama fans much crap about claiming NCs Before someone calls me a hypocrit but the only year I don't think you have a legit argument with is 1938. I know what the major polls said but what else did you want that team to do? Solid competition and as stated only allowed 16 points
Posted on 7/11/12 at 10:59 pm to Draconian Sanctions
it seems to me that LSU is the only school that claims legit NCs....and not even all of them. we could probably legitimately claim 1908 and 1936
Posted on 7/11/12 at 11:08 pm to Draconian Sanctions
UT's 67 claim might actually be worse than Bama's 41.
Posted on 7/11/12 at 11:13 pm to Draconian Sanctions
FWIW, 1938 is counted by sports illustrated and ESPN as a consensus title. They have credited UT with 3 consensus titles even when the school claims 6, so it's not just copying the schools claim.
Contrary to the OP, 7 national selectors existed in 1938. 6 of them selected Tennessee. AP was the exception. It was in its third year.
It's a similar situation to UGA in 1942.
It's basically considered a consensus title.
OP generally does a terrible job of characterizing what happened in those seasons as well.
Contrary to the OP, 7 national selectors existed in 1938. 6 of them selected Tennessee. AP was the exception. It was in its third year.
It's a similar situation to UGA in 1942.
It's basically considered a consensus title.
OP generally does a terrible job of characterizing what happened in those seasons as well.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 9:25 am to Draconian Sanctions
I guess we could claim titles in 1908, 1935, 1936,
1961, and 2011 also - as some associations, publications or polls have us listed as NC in those years.
But we have to settle for 3 instead of 8:
1958, 2003, and 2007
1961, and 2011 also - as some associations, publications or polls have us listed as NC in those years.
But we have to settle for 3 instead of 8:
1958, 2003, and 2007
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