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Spin-off thread on how many NC Bama actually has..

Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:37 pm
Posted by LOCO5150
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Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:37 pm
I've seen a lot of bickering back and forth in several different threads about how many NC's are claimed by Bama. It pisses me off that some bammers actually claim 1964 as their NC. This article was written prior to 2010, but it best describes the reality of how many NC's they actually have.

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I just wanted to clear up a few misconceptions about Alabama’s claim to 12 national championships based on fact rather than bias. Credit is given where credit is due. To clear up confusion, the word retroactive means they went back in time to award the championship. ‘TWELVE’ national championships is fraudulent, nothing but pure bunk ginned up by the SID Department.
Here’s a rundown:

1925 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with Dartmouth. Who awarded the NC? Houlgate and Helms. Houlgate started his system in 1927. So Bama won their 1925 NC using a formula that didn’t exist until 1927? Helms Athletic Foundation started in 1941. Another incredible retroactive NC. The Associated Press Poll has been active since 1936. The AP took their final poll prior to bowl games from 1936 – 1964 and in 1966 and 1967. They took their final poll after the bowl games in 1965 and from 1968 – Current.

1926 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with 3 other teams with equal or better records! Once again it is the Helms Athletic Foundation in 1941 that awards it!

1930 National Championship- The Davis poll says that Bama tied Notre Dame for NC this year. This was the only one to award it to Bama. Notre Dame was named NC in 6 polls! Parke Davis is another retroactive system! He (an individual, not an organization) did his in 1933!

1934 National Championship- Alabama says they share this with two other teams. The awarders are Dunkel, Williamson, and Football Thesaurus. Dunkel was an individual who came up with his own system. Williamson was a geologist who came up with his own system. Football Thesaurus first appeared in 1946!

1941 National Championship- This is a complete joke. The AP ranked Alabama 20th in the nation with 14 teams with better records in the top 20. Once again it is the Football Thesaurus that retroactively awards it. Alabama finished 3rd in the SEC that year. Mississippi State won the SEC title..yet Bama claims a National title!

1961 National Championship- Finally a legitimate NC. .

1964 National Championship- While the AP did award the NC to Bama (10-1-0), Arkansas had the better record, 11-0. Alabama played Texas in their bowl and LOST. The AP final poll was before the bowl.

1965 National Championship- The AP gave this to Bama. That year there were three teams with better records than Bama. Bama 9-1-1, Michigan St 10-1-0, Arkansas 10-1-0, Nebraska 10-1-0.

1973 National Championship- AP puts Bama 4th after their bowl game loss. Bama claims a NC from the UPI poll that was taken before they met Notre Dame in the bowl game and lost. There were 3 teams with better records than Bama that year. The embarrassment of naming Alabama number one caused the UPI to name champions after bowl games. Yet Bammer has no shame in claiming it of course.

1978 National Championship- AP gives this to Alabama(11-1-0) even though USC (12-1-0) had the better record Guess who Alabama lost to that year? USC!!!!!!!!!. UPI gave the NC to USC.

1979 National Championship- Their second legitimate NC. Their first Unanimous NC.

1992 National Championship- Their third legitimate NC. Their second Unanimous NC.

You can see why people ridicule Bama fans when they talk about 12 NCs. The early ones were awarded by individuals years after the games were played. These weren’t consensus polls but NCs awarded by people that had their own formula for determining champions. Some NCs were given before bowl games that Bama lost. Using Alabama logic, Auburn could claim four national championships. But when Bammers brag they like to say they have twelve and Auburn has one. How silly. The NCAA recognizes 6 NCs for Bama and there are only two NCs that Bama has unanimously. You can’t find an Auburn site claiming four national championships but there are plenty Bama sites claiming
Posted by parkjas2001
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Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:40 pm to
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It pisses me off that some bammers actually claim 1964 as their NC.


Who has the trophy?
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Posted by parkjas2001
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Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:41 pm to
Saw a great Harrison Ford gif last night that needs to be in here.
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:42 pm to
that article was written by an Au fan. Going by it, Auburn only has one NC. 57 is void, as they were on probation. You'll also need to go through every other major college program that claims NC's. I know Ga is claiming some that OSU does as well.
Posted by Party At LSU
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Posted by Dodgson
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Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:43 pm to
That was a great, objective article. Thanks for posting. Justin is one of my favorite bloggers.
This post was edited on 5/10/12 at 1:44 pm
Posted by sarc
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Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:45 pm to
So you think Bama shouldn't claim '64 because the system under which it was awarded was later changed? That's like saying that after we go to a playoff, none of the BCSCG winners are legitimate because they weren't part of a playoff.

BTW, if you really want a good explanation of Bama's championships during the dual poll era, then read this: LINK
Posted by mwlewis
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Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:45 pm to
Can we just trade Arkansas back to the Bevo 12 and pick up Oklahoma or TCU. Maybe one of those teams could compete with Alabama instead on laying down and taking in the chin like Arkansas has been doing the past 5 years.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:48 pm to
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This article was written prior to 2010


And you don't think it's been posted here a single time and discussed ad nauseum? Really?

This post was edited on 5/10/12 at 1:51 pm
Posted by Mstate
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Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:51 pm to
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1941 National Championship- This is a complete joke. The AP ranked Alabama 20th in the nation with 14 teams with better records in the top 20. Once again it is the Football Thesaurus that retroactively awards it. Alabama finished 3rd in the SEC that year. Mississippi State won the SEC title..yet Bama claims a National title!



BUCK FAMA
Posted by big Tiger 1885
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Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:57 pm to
Thanks now we get to see 20 pages of Bama
Posted by bbvdd
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Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:58 pm to
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LOCO5150


Do you parents a favor and kill yourself...
Posted by T Rey WI
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Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:59 pm to
Poor LOCO, your time might be better served trying to help you piggies figure out how to win your first SEC champiuonship now that they have managed the amazing task of putting together back-to-back winning seasons.
Posted by Dodgson
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Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:59 pm to
I'm more interested in that guy's statistical analysis of why he can't find a girlfriend. LINK Hang in there, man.
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Posted on 5/10/12 at 2:08 pm to
Posted by big Tiger 1885
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Posted on 5/10/12 at 2:12 pm to
quote:

Spin-off thread on how many NC Bama actually has..


I would say let them claim all of them if LSU would claim the other 5 that we have . If not they are stuck at nine (still damn impressive)
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