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Posted on 2/2/12 at 1:18 pm to AUCE05
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I hope you enjoy being a douche
Fabulous post...it just so happens that I do not have a very high opinion of Arky. It is not personal with me, if they start winning big games then I may reevaluate my opinion.
I think for the most part Arkansas is seen to exist within the SEC under a glass ceiling. It is up to them to prove others wrong.
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Posted on 2/2/12 at 1:22 pm to Rex Manning
Proximity of home to college is by far the biggest factor for kids 
Posted on 2/2/12 at 1:34 pm to Rex Manning
Petrino nor the Arkansas Fans think he does. Regardless of what his classes are ranked I prefer to go by the results on the field after they get to college. Do you think the Packer coaches care that Aaron Rogers didn't get a D-1 offer out of high school?
A better question is why do the recruiting services not do a better job of evaluating and projecting players?
The answer is simple. Recruiting services don’t have the resources or the expertise to properly evaluate every high school player in the U.S. Also, there’s good reasons why college coaches don’t use recruiting services and recruiting services “experts” aren’t coaching at the college level. You can probably figure that one out on your own.
A better question is why do the recruiting services not do a better job of evaluating and projecting players?
The answer is simple. Recruiting services don’t have the resources or the expertise to properly evaluate every high school player in the U.S. Also, there’s good reasons why college coaches don’t use recruiting services and recruiting services “experts” aren’t coaching at the college level. You can probably figure that one out on your own.
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Posted on 2/2/12 at 1:45 pm to Hubbhogg
Except for the few smart ..... the responses have been interesting to read. My thots. Petrino is not failing in recruiting. The results speak for themself. Yes, only Arkansas fans and Ole Miss fans can relate to where a program is after Nutt. If Ole Miss goes 5-7, 8-5, 10-3, 11-2, in the next 4 years, then you know you have a hellava coach. Petrino, for the most part gets the players he wants. Does he miss some? Sure. But he gets the kind of players he wants.
Last year was the first year he was able to do much significant redshirting. They redshirted the QB that Garrick Mcgee thot was the best QB in high school the year before. Why was he not a 5*? Because he was a coaches son and most schools didn't bother to try and recruit him. No national recruiting, no 5*. CBP has said we redshirted elite talent last year, the recruiting services don't seem to think so. My money is on CBP. We will only get better, and we are pretty damned good now. We just haven't had the depth to seemlessly plu people in. That's coming.
Last year was the first year he was able to do much significant redshirting. They redshirted the QB that Garrick Mcgee thot was the best QB in high school the year before. Why was he not a 5*? Because he was a coaches son and most schools didn't bother to try and recruit him. No national recruiting, no 5*. CBP has said we redshirted elite talent last year, the recruiting services don't seem to think so. My money is on CBP. We will only get better, and we are pretty damned good now. We just haven't had the depth to seemlessly plu people in. That's coming.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 1:49 pm to Choctaw Hog
Mainly because he is a made up persona parading around as a coach. Dude has been a wanker everywhere but louisville where he made a living feasting off big east defenses. You cant escape the truth. I am sorry but as long as he is the coach at Arky I won't worry one bit about playing them. At least the Rev could get the troups charged up enough to give people a game occasionally.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 1:51 pm to artompkins
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Mainly because he is a made up persona parading around as a coach. Dude has been a wanker everywhere but louisville where he made a living feasting off big east defenses. You cant escape the truth. I am sorry but as long as he is the coach at Arky I won't worry one bit about playing them. At least the Rev could get the troups charged up enough to give people a game occasionally
this is fricking rich. He's improved our record every year. He's taken two schools to the BCS. God bless and post less
Posted on 2/2/12 at 1:51 pm to artompkins
yeah 2010 was the most dominating 3 point game ive ever seen.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 1:53 pm to artompkins
Most of the players on last year's defense were from his first recruiting class...franklin, nelson, bequette, thomas, madison, and the like. I think next year will really tell if his defensive recruiting is up to par or not. It suprised me this year that we had a better defensive recruiting class than offensive...but thats what we needed
fwiw i think Petrino is one of the best at finding guys first and developing lower rated guys...its just when he has to go against bigger name programs that he usually loses out because he's not as good at selling the program with his personality
fwiw i think Petrino is one of the best at finding guys first and developing lower rated guys...its just when he has to go against bigger name programs that he usually loses out because he's not as good at selling the program with his personality
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Posted on 2/2/12 at 2:03 pm to Rex Manning
Petrino has increased the talent level on campus here with every class, IMO.
It takes time to build a brand.
Also, all the shite you guys keep saying about Petrino not having a personality is kinda bullshite.
I went to his signing day event just last night and he had people rolling. He's dry, but his sense of humor is pretty fricking spot on. We have recruits rave about "what an awesome guy" Petrino is in private and in their homes on visits.
I do think he's above a lot of the arse-kissing and horseshite a lot of coaches will do. He's more of a no-nonsense guy, here's reality, deal with it.
I love this quote from Paul Petrino, who just came back to be our OC:
“If you’re a skill player and you don’t want to play in this offense, your most important thing isn’t winning and being great."
I don't think anybody can deny that our staff develops players to their full potential. So far, so good. We need to win some hardware before recruits start coming our way. Its just the situation we're in with our location.
It takes time to build a brand.
Also, all the shite you guys keep saying about Petrino not having a personality is kinda bullshite.
I went to his signing day event just last night and he had people rolling. He's dry, but his sense of humor is pretty fricking spot on. We have recruits rave about "what an awesome guy" Petrino is in private and in their homes on visits.
I do think he's above a lot of the arse-kissing and horseshite a lot of coaches will do. He's more of a no-nonsense guy, here's reality, deal with it.
I love this quote from Paul Petrino, who just came back to be our OC:
“If you’re a skill player and you don’t want to play in this offense, your most important thing isn’t winning and being great."
I don't think anybody can deny that our staff develops players to their full potential. So far, so good. We need to win some hardware before recruits start coming our way. Its just the situation we're in with our location.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 2:04 pm to artompkins
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Dude has been a wanker everywhere but louisville where he made a living feasting off big east defenses.
...with Big East talent on offense.
And, last i checked, he's been pretty good at feasting on SEC defenses for the better part of 5 years now.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 2:31 pm to wmr
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I love this quote from Paul Petrino, who just came back to be our OC:
“If you’re a skill player and you don’t want to play in this offense, your most important thing isn’t winning and being great."
Solid post, wmr. Has anyone on any of the forums looked into WR play at Illinois the past two years? I'm curious how Paul did up there.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 2:37 pm to Rex Manning
Probably because the best season Arkansas has had in 35 years equals mid pack of the SEC West.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 2:43 pm to Crow Pie
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Probably because the best season Arkansas has had in 35 years equals one of the top 5 teams in all of college football.
FIFY, since we don't JUST recruit against the SECW.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 2:59 pm to ocelot4ark
BP has done an amazing job of recruiting.
With Nutt, he wouldn't recruit needs at all and he wouldn't go after the big names in they were out of state. BP isn't afraid to go up against he big boys and he finds players that fit our needs.
That team Nutt left us with? Mother of God. I think we started like 18 freshmen or something like that. That's unreal to think about.
He also doesn't base anything off of rivals.
Ask South Carolina if that's mattered in the past. Or Auburn because this year we will murder both of them by at least 20 points.
We have a shot with Bama and LSU coming into Fayetteville. I'm seeing a 11-1 or 12-0 record.
With Nutt, he wouldn't recruit needs at all and he wouldn't go after the big names in they were out of state. BP isn't afraid to go up against he big boys and he finds players that fit our needs.
That team Nutt left us with? Mother of God. I think we started like 18 freshmen or something like that. That's unreal to think about.
He also doesn't base anything off of rivals.
Ask South Carolina if that's mattered in the past. Or Auburn because this year we will murder both of them by at least 20 points.
We have a shot with Bama and LSU coming into Fayetteville. I'm seeing a 11-1 or 12-0 record.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 3:09 pm to wegotdatwood
Struggle? What are y'all talking about.
Hog fans say he is much better at evaluating talent than all the other coaches and especially all the recruiting services.
Petrino himself said yesterday that a lot of the recruiting gurus don't know what they're talking about, but, he does.
Petrino don't need no stinkin' 5 stars...or 4 stars...or even more than one or two 3 stars! He'll coach 'em up to another third place in the West finish over the likes of mighty teams like Auburn, Mississippi State, and Ole Miss.
Hog fans say he is much better at evaluating talent than all the other coaches and especially all the recruiting services.
Petrino himself said yesterday that a lot of the recruiting gurus don't know what they're talking about, but, he does.
Petrino don't need no stinkin' 5 stars...or 4 stars...or even more than one or two 3 stars! He'll coach 'em up to another third place in the West finish over the likes of mighty teams like Auburn, Mississippi State, and Ole Miss.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 3:27 pm to Rex Manning
He is a whiney little bastard and Arkansas smells bad.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 3:27 pm to ksrph
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Petrino don't need no stinkin' 5 stars...or 4 stars...or even more than one or two 3 stars! He'll coach 'em up to another third place in the West finish over the likes of mighty teams like Auburn, Mississippi State, and Ole Miss.
The majority of our class is 3 or 4 star, just like every year. We have maybe 1 or 2 that are lower (never evaluated by the recruiting services).
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Hog fans say he is much better at evaluating talent than all the other coaches and especially all the recruiting services.
No one ever said he was better than any other coaches. Better than the $30k/yr "experts" at rivals? You're goddamn right. Hence the $4MM/yr Petrino earns. If not, please explain 5>8>10>11 wins in the toughest division of college football's toughest conference.
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He'll coach 'em up to another third place in the West finish over the likes of mighty teams like Auburn, Mississippi State, and Ole Miss.
Or, if you're looking back just 1 year, 2nd place...above LSU AND Alabama.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 3:43 pm to Rex Manning
I have posted this quote on here several times but, having lived in Fayetteville and gone ot the U of A it is very true. Lou Holtzzssss was asked about how hard it is to recruit kids to the University of Arkansas, he said Fayetteville may not be the middle of no where but you can damn sure see it from there.
Fayetteville is a beautiful place and Northwest Arkansas has grown a lot in recent year but it is still very remote and not too near any major cities. However, Northwest Arkansas is becomings its own destination and will eventualy become more attractive to recruits. The key is getting them to visit to see what is there. The Arkansas red neck, hill billy, middle of no where perception is hard to break. Unless you have been to Fayetteville your preconceptions about what it is like are more than likely very very wrong.
DAWGY
Fayetteville is a beautiful place and Northwest Arkansas has grown a lot in recent year but it is still very remote and not too near any major cities. However, Northwest Arkansas is becomings its own destination and will eventualy become more attractive to recruits. The key is getting them to visit to see what is there. The Arkansas red neck, hill billy, middle of no where perception is hard to break. Unless you have been to Fayetteville your preconceptions about what it is like are more than likely very very wrong.
DAWGY
Posted on 2/2/12 at 3:46 pm to ocelot4ark
Obviously we have ground to make up in recruiting vs. the upper echelon college teams. I will admit I have been disappointed every NSD that BP has been the coach. But, after I see him (and his coaching staff) break down the film of each recruit, it doesn't seem so bad. Plus the increased wins each year helps. Until we start winning the big games against top competition, we will still have to settle for what we are getting. Also, I have family that are die hard LSU fans, so they are a team that I pull for. But, honestly, you guys act like you own BP. 2-2 =/= owned...Just saying.
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