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re: Will Arkansas Ever Win A National Title?
Posted on 7/9/11 at 8:39 am to Hawgeye
Posted on 7/9/11 at 8:39 am to Hawgeye
quote:Nope, but Arkansas didn't get an invite until FSU said they weren't interested.
So, you are telling me that the SEC was in talks with Florida State in 1978 or before?
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Florida State does not have a strong athletic program, and only came on the scene in football in 1993
(Try 1977, goober) LINK 1993 was their 7th of 14 straight top-5 finishes, and the 18th time they had finished the season ranked (the earliest was 1964).
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Posted on 7/9/11 at 8:41 am to bamascott2
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bamascott2
your a clown...and you have proven you don't know football.. the poll system was changed in 1965 because of us... You just need to shut up and thank Arkansas for giving you the Bear.
Posted on 7/9/11 at 8:45 am to TT9
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We finished undefeated.
We beat Texas.
Texas beat Alabama in the Orange bowl.
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We beat Nebraska in the Orange. Anyway, are you really using the transitive property as justification?
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The polls at that time were taken before the bowl games. After the bowls we were named natl champs.
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By whom?
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It was a big enough farce that the system was changed the very next year.... our bad luck bc we would have been champs again, but lost to lsu.
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No, it wasn't. Try 1974.
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Arkansas was within 5 pts of having 3 national titles in the 60s. I wonder how that wouldve changed the last few decades.
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If's. Gotta love it.
Dude, you need to learn a little history. Especially your own.
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Posted on 7/9/11 at 8:48 am to FordyceGatorWrestler
The Arksession here is pretty cool! Fear the Pig.
Posted on 7/9/11 at 8:49 am to FordyceGatorWrestler
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How was I wrong posting a cover? The OP acted as though winning a Title would be new for us...Ask any respectable football historian and they will tell you that Arkansas was a beast from the 50's through the late 80's We started sucking our last year in the SWC in 1990
WIN PCT.
1960-1969
1. Alabama-83.6%
2. Texas-81.0%
3. Arkansas-77.1%
4. Missour-76.2%
5. Ohio State-75.8%
12. LSU
1960-1979
1. Alabama-95%
2. Texas-78.9%
9. Arkansas-73.8%
13. LSU-69.6%
1960-1989
1. Alabama-80.4%
2. Nebraska-79.3%
3. Penn State-77.0%
9. Arkansas-73.1%
14. LSU-67.2%
1960-1999
1. Nebraska-81.3%
2. Penn State-77.5%
3. Alabama-77.0%
14. Arkansas-66.9%
22. LSU-62.4%
1960-2009
1. Nebraska-77.9%
2. Ohio State-76.4%
3. Penn State-74.4%
16. LSU-65.5%
17. Arkansas-64.7%
Finally, LSU has had a better decade than Arkansas football since 1960
Posted on 7/9/11 at 8:50 am to bamaboy87
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Will I ever frick Scarlett Johansson, Hayden Panettiere, and Carrie Underwood at the same time?
Posted on 7/9/11 at 8:53 am to FordyceGatorWrestler
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your a clown...and you have proven you don't know football..
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the poll system was changed in 1965 because of us...
You're partially right...and so was I:
Though some of the math systems selected champions after the bowl games, both of the major polls released their rankings after the end of the regular season until the AP polled writers after the bowls in 1965, resulting in what was perceived at the time as a better championship selection (Alabama) than UPI's (Michigan State). After 1965, the AP voted before the bowls for two years, permanently returning to a post-bowl vote in 1968. The coaches did not vote after the bowls until 1974, in the wake of awarding their 1973 championship to Alabama, who lost to the AP champion, undefeated Notre Dame, in the Sugar Bowl.
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I know...it's Wikipedia. But still...
Posted on 7/9/11 at 8:56 am to Hawgeye
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So, you are telling me that the SEC was in talks with Florida State in 1978 or before? I am going to call major bullshite on you. Florida State does not have a strong athletic program, and only came on the scene in football in 1993, 3 years after the agreements between Arkansas & South Carolina to join the SEC. 1. This is either a horrible troll attempt, or 2. You are a terrible liar.
FSU was the first choice of SEC when serious expansion talks started. Bowden nixed the plan because he did not want the tough SEC schedule.
Posted on 7/9/11 at 9:00 am to Bernie Moore
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FSU was the first choice of SEC when serious expansion talks started. Bowden nixed the plan because he did not want the tough SEC schedule.
This could have been the case but Arkansas was suppose to be a package deal with Texas so I guess South Carolina could have been a package deal with FSU. FSU coming into the league had zero effect on us since they would be in the east. Nice try though.
Posted on 7/9/11 at 9:03 am to Hawgeye
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WIN PCT. 1960-1969 1. Alabama-83.6% 2. Texas-81.0% 3. Arkansas-77.1% 4. Missour-76.2% 5. Ohio State-75.8% 12. LSU 1960-1979 1. Alabama-95% 2. Texas-78.9% 9. Arkansas-73.8% 13. LSU-69.6% 1960-1989 1. Alabama-80.4% 2. Nebraska-79.3% 3. Penn State-77.0% 9. Arkansas-73.1% 14. LSU-67.2% 1960-1999 1. Nebraska-81.3% 2. Penn State-77.5% 3. Alabama-77.0% 14. Arkansas-66.9% 22. LSU-62.4% 1960-2009 1. Nebraska-77.9% 2. Ohio State-76.4% 3. Penn State-74.4% 16. LSU-65.5% 17. Arkansas-64.7% Finally, LSU has had a better decade than Arkansas football since 1960
LSU played a much tougher schedule. In pre conference games,LSU played Aggies,Baylor,and Rice during 50s,60s,70s, and 80s.Those were conference games for Hogs. Hogs were good for 3 decades in weak SWC. By Hog logic,Boise is better than Arky!
Posted on 7/9/11 at 9:03 am to HawgAlude
FSU would have made more sense than Arky. You guys are in the middle of nowhere.
FSU was the first choice. The league had to settle after those pansies didn't want to play in the SEC.
FSU was the first choice. The league had to settle after those pansies didn't want to play in the SEC.
Posted on 7/9/11 at 9:09 am to AppleHog
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AppleHog
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Dude, you need to learn a little history. Especially your own.
Your link...
1964 college football season
Total # of teams 121
Preseason AP #1 Ole Miss Rebels
Number of bowls 8
Champions Alabama Crimson Tide (AP & Coaches)
Arkansas Razorbacks (Various)
WTF is "Various?"
And your Pig friend posted a SI cover from November '65. Why are you now talking about '64? Does "Various" awarding a NC to Arkie make you a dynasty?
Posted on 7/9/11 at 9:19 am to Bernie Moore
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LSU played a much tougher schedule. In pre conference games,LSU played Aggies,Baylor,and Rice during 50s,60s,70s, and 80s
You really think that?
From 1960-1969 there were two SEC teams and two SWC in the top 10 win pct. that decade. From 1960-1979 there was 1 SEC team in the top 10 win pct., and two SWC teams in the top 10. From 1960-1989 there were 2 SWC teams in the top 10, and 1 SEC team in the top 10.
Since 1960 up until Arkansas joined the SEC, OOC the Hogs beat the likes of Nebraska, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M, Houston, Georgia, Cal, USC, Air Force, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Navy, Florida, Arizona State.
You can claim the SWC was weak all you want, but the fact is Arkansas played tough competition outside of the conference and won a lot of those games. Add to the fact that for the majority of the years from 1960-1989 the SWC had more teams in the top 10 win pct. than did the SEC.
Alabama was running rough-shod over the Southeastern Conference.
Posted on 7/9/11 at 9:19 am to bamascott2
The coaches and the Grantland Rice Trophy federation who named their national champions after the bowl, all named Arkansas as their national champion. Back then the AP would name their national champion before the bowl games which was a messed up way to do it. If you ask Jimmy Johnson, Barry Switzer or any of the coaches from that era who the 1964 National Champions are they would say the Arkansas Razorbacks.
Again you are wrong on the FSU statements, Arkansas was to be a package deal with Texas but the Texas Legislature blocked it. FSU coming into the SEC EAST had zero effect on Arkansas joining the SEC WEST. Everyone knows that the WEST is a lot stronger than the EAST but I doubt FSU would be as good as South Carolina in the SEC.
Again you are wrong on the FSU statements, Arkansas was to be a package deal with Texas but the Texas Legislature blocked it. FSU coming into the SEC EAST had zero effect on Arkansas joining the SEC WEST. Everyone knows that the WEST is a lot stronger than the EAST but I doubt FSU would be as good as South Carolina in the SEC.
Posted on 7/9/11 at 9:21 am to bamascott2
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And your Pig friend posted a SI cover from November '65.
This has been explained once by me.
The reasoning behind the cover is because Arkansas won 22 straight games from 11/23/1963 - 1/1/1966
Posted on 7/9/11 at 9:24 am to bamascott2
Neaux way..they qill.never vet by Bama, LSU and.Aubby in the same year and then the East champ and then the Big One...never happen
Posted on 7/9/11 at 9:29 am to xiv
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Arkansas didn't get an invite until FSU said they weren't interested.
Care to explain the reasoning behind Arkansas being courted by the SEC as early as 1978 then?
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(Try 1977, goober) LINK
1993 was their 7th of 14 straight top-5 finishes, and the 18th time they had finished the season ranked (the earliest was 1964).
Good for them, but you are trying to tell me that the SEC would have preferred a team that, at the time talks started in 1990, 9 AP top 25 finishes, over a program that had 25 AP top 25 finishes.
It does not compute. Again, your troll attempt is 1. horrible, or 2. you're a terrible liar.
Posted on 7/9/11 at 9:30 am to Hawgeye
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You really think that? From 1960-1969 there were two SEC teams and two SWC in the top 10 win pct. that decade. From 1960-1979 there was 1 SEC team in the top 10 win pct., and two SWC teams in the top 10. From 1960-1989 there were 2 SWC teams in the top 10, and 1 SEC team in the top 10. Since 1960 up until Arkansas joined the SEC, OOC the Hogs beat the likes of Nebraska, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M, Houston, Georgia, Cal, USC, Air Force, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Navy, Florida, Arizona State. You can claim the SWC was weak all you want, but the fact is Arkansas played tough competition outside of the conference and won a lot of those games. Add to the fact that for the majority of the years from 1960-1989 the SWC had more teams in the top 10 win pct. than did the SEC. Alabama was running rough-shod over the Southeastern Conference.
You lost to those teams more than you beat them.What is Arky's all time series record vs SEC,Texas,Oklahoma,USC,Nebraska,Penn State,Ohio State etc? Name one good team Hogs have a winning record against.
Posted on 7/9/11 at 9:31 am to RMFTBama
Looks In....yep, buncha jelly gaytards posting in here.....I'll be at the bar.........
Posted on 7/9/11 at 9:32 am to Crow Pie
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they qill.never vet by Bama, LSU and.Aubby in the same year
It has happened before and can certainly happen again.
btw, it would probably only take going 2-1 against those 3 to end up in the SEC champ game.
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