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re: Darvin Adams: Was he a product of a system?
Posted on 7/8/11 at 11:49 am to TTsTowel
Posted on 7/8/11 at 11:49 am to TTsTowel
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So you made this thread specifically because we (not you and I) had an argument that he would "amount to nothing" in the NFL?
When did we have that argument?
I placed that disclaimer for the last time you argued with me about Darvin Adams. You said he didn't even play in the 09 game and stood by what you said even though I had video evidence that he played the entire game.
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Posted on 7/8/11 at 11:50 am to TTsTowel
First of all, the 'product of a system argument is such a dumb argument
Every single player that has stepped into the NFL is a 'product of the system' they played in college.
Every single player that has stepped into the NFL is a 'product of the system' they played in college.
Posted on 7/8/11 at 11:51 am to memphisplaya
And I said I didn't remember him playing in it. Probably because Todd never got the ball 5 yards down the ball because he sucked..
Now, how did he have an up and down career? I'd love to hear this. He had 50+ catches with 900+ yards both seasons. He was our best receiver both seasons, also.
Now, how did he have an up and down career? I'd love to hear this. He had 50+ catches with 900+ yards both seasons. He was our best receiver both seasons, also.
Posted on 7/8/11 at 11:51 am to WDE24
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No need to get mad
Lol definitely not mad. I just think it is funny that you guys are comparing an undrafted receiver to two of the most productive guys in the NFL, that' all.
I guess y'all are seeing what you want to see.
I also find it funny that you are defending these comparisons, btw.
Posted on 7/8/11 at 11:52 am to CFBFAN1121
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First of all, the 'product of a system argument is such a dumb argument
Every single player that has stepped into the NFL is a 'product of the system' they played in college.
True.
Also, I bet that makes ALL of our receivers "product of the system" in the negative way now.
Posted on 7/8/11 at 11:54 am to TxTiger82
taking LSU fans opinion on an Auburn player just gonna be pages of disagreement
as an Auburn fan i can say the real only issue with Darvin isnt height or route running
hes 6'3 and listed 190 but he weighs maybe 160-170 and his speed is only average(4.5 mid to low)
he needs more muscle mass to be taken seriously cause from a physical standpoint hes an injury risk too. People are clowning if they dont think he has good hands, theres only a handful of guys last year that had hands as good as Darvin
as an Auburn fan i can say the real only issue with Darvin isnt height or route running
hes 6'3 and listed 190 but he weighs maybe 160-170 and his speed is only average(4.5 mid to low)
he needs more muscle mass to be taken seriously cause from a physical standpoint hes an injury risk too. People are clowning if they dont think he has good hands, theres only a handful of guys last year that had hands as good as Darvin
This post was edited on 7/8/11 at 11:55 am
Posted on 7/8/11 at 11:55 am to TxTiger82
quote:That's the thing, no one is saying he is as good as those guys, just using them as reference for identifying what his strengths are and what kind of player he is.
I just think it is funny that you guys are comparing an undrafted receiver to two of the most productive guys in the NFL, that' all.
You intentionally took the comments out of context. I have no idea why or why you care.
Posted on 7/8/11 at 11:57 am to TTsTowel
Why will Darvin Adams succeed in the NFL?
1.) 4.5 speed, average but get the job done
2.) great hands
3.) good route running ability
4.) motivation
5.) good blocker
6.) hard worker
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What makes him a system WR, memphis? It's not like we were a pass happy offense.
1.) 4.5 speed, average but get the job done
2.) great hands
3.) good route running ability
4.) motivation
5.) good blocker
6.) hard worker
LINK
What makes him a system WR, memphis? It's not like we were a pass happy offense.
Posted on 7/8/11 at 11:57 am to TTsTowel
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And I said I didn't remember him playing in it. Probably because Todd never got the ball 5 yards down the ball because he sucked..
Now, how did he have an up and down career? I'd love to hear this. He had 50+ catches with 900+ yards both seasons. He was our best receiver both seasons, also.
He disappeared in games and many times it looked as Blake was the better WR. Both are still very average
Posted on 7/8/11 at 11:58 am to CFBFAN1121
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Every single player that has stepped into the NFL is a 'product of the system' they played in college.
I think you fail to understand the phrase "product of the system."
It means the player looked like a better player than he actually was because he played in a system that was so effective. So it was more the system's success than the player's skill.
Posted on 7/8/11 at 11:58 am to TTsTowel
Get over your love fest with Adams. He is not fast he is not strong enough very basic route runner, no separation instincts and can't battle with larger corners
Posted on 7/8/11 at 11:59 am to memphisplaya
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no separation instincts
You shitting me?
Posted on 7/8/11 at 11:59 am to WDE24
tkane311 said:
That comparison seems pretty unequivocal to me.
Then memphis calls him on it:
Then GoCrazyAuburn comes in with the slightly more rational version of the argument WDE is trying to claim the first guy was making (but wasn't):
Still an incredibly generous comparison, even toned down a bit.
Then tkane comes back and pretty much makes it worse.
Not even, tkane.
Memphis calls him on it again.
Then I enter...
And WDE gets all over my jock because he's mad about it.
Funny statement, considering the one who originally made this argument apparently really believes it.
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In traffic, he might not have had the ups or strength, but had the hands, instincts and desire for the ball of Larry Fitzgerald.
That comparison seems pretty unequivocal to me.
Then memphis calls him on it:
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Fitzgerald? You're comparing him to a former runner up for the Heisman
Then GoCrazyAuburn comes in with the slightly more rational version of the argument WDE is trying to claim the first guy was making (but wasn't):
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not in skillset Memphis. Just saying that he showed the ability to want the ball more and the ability to make the tough catch in traffic, similar to how Fitzgerald plays.
Still an incredibly generous comparison, even toned down a bit.
Then tkane comes back and pretty much makes it worse.
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read...Larry Fitzgerald has an amazing combination of skills...including some things that Darvin doesn't have...like a 45" vertical and insane size/stregth/speed combination. What they have in common is the hands, instincts and desire for the ball.
Not even, tkane.
Memphis calls him on it again.
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I think you are giving him too much love. I don't see anything that resembles fitzgerald's style or desire
Then I enter...
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There are a bunch of stupid comparisons going around in this thread. So far we have Larry Fitzgerald, one of the best receivers in the NFL,
And WDE gets all over my jock because he's mad about it.
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Your reading comprehension is even worse than the comparisons.
Funny statement, considering the one who originally made this argument apparently really believes it.
This post was edited on 7/8/11 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 7/8/11 at 12:00 pm to memphisplaya
quote:Darvin rarely disappeared. As a receiver you can't control how many balls are thrown to you. Every receiver has games where the stats don't measure up to the talent. I think Darvin was a very good college receiver, but I think Blake has a bigger upside and will be better at the end of his career than Darvin was.
He disappeared in games and many times it looked as Blake was the better WR. Both are still very average
Posted on 7/8/11 at 12:00 pm to blzr
Nope
Posted on 7/8/11 at 12:01 pm to WDE24
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I have no idea why or why you care.
Because you jumped all over my jock after I made a very obvious statement.
That and I'm feeling crotchety this morning, so don't frick with me! Hahahaha
Posted on 7/8/11 at 12:02 pm to memphisplaya
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He disappeared in games and many times it looked as Blake was the better WR. Both are still very average
Example? Which game? ULM?
Posted on 7/8/11 at 12:02 pm to memphisplaya
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He is not fast he is not strong enough very basic route runner, no separation instincts and can't battle with larger corners
I don't believe you ever watched him play.
Posted on 7/8/11 at 12:03 pm to TxTiger82
Comparing his hands, instincts and desire are not the same as saying he is as good as Fitzgerald. Darvin made incredible catches in traffic because he indeed had great hands, instincts and desire. Many of them were clutch catches to keep drives alive. The comparison, in context, is legit and someone attempting to make it look silly by insinuating that he was claiming Darvin was as good as Fitzgerald is being disingenuous.
Posted on 7/8/11 at 12:03 pm to WDE24
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but I think Blake has a bigger upside and will be better at the end of his career than Darvin was.
Don't worry. According to memphis, he'll be s system WR too.
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