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Posted on 12/10/10 at 4:25 pm to AUBfanatic
Posted on 12/10/10 at 4:25 pm to AUBfanatic
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The belief that the enforcement and eligibility sides of the NCAA act totally independent of one another is comical.
Are you fricking serious?
You really believe that, don't you?
I thought the premise of expertise on this matter, as set by you, was that the NCAA knows more than any of us, correct?
Well, according to the NCAA, the committees are completely separate.
So, when it fits your argument, the NCAA is the end all be all, but when it doesn't, then you brush them off, is that right?
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Q: What’s the difference between the enforcement process and student-athlete reinstatement process?
A: They run independently of each other. The reinstatement process is dealing with the individual student-athlete and his or her eligibility. The enforcement process focuses on institutional involvement or culpability. At times, the student-athlete eligibility issues become ripe within the context of an enforcement investigation. When this occurs, the school and the enforcement staff agree upon facts that are then presented to the reinstatement staff specific to the student-athlete’s eligibility.
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One size does not fit all: Differences between eligibility and investigations
Many in the media and public have drawn comparisons between recent high-profile NCAA decisions while ignoring the important differences among the cases. There is a purposeful distinction between determining student-athlete responsibility through an eligibility decision and university culpability through the infractions process. Universities are accountable for rules violations through the infractions process.
Student-athletes are responsible for rules violations through the eligibility process.
Reinstatement decisions are independent of the NCAA enforcement process and typically are made once the facts of the student-athlete’s involvement are determined. The reinstatement process is likely to conclude prior to the close of an investigation.
“The enforcement staff investigates all types of rules violations,” said Julie Roe Lach, NCAA vice president of enforcement. “Some of these investigations affect student-athlete eligibility and others do not. The investigation does not stop with a student-athlete eligibility issue, but school officials must address it as soon as they are aware of the violations.”
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Posted on 12/10/10 at 4:26 pm to villager
Really? Are you being sarcastic? He hasn't answered anything yet except to say he's read the ruling and he's right and everyone else is wrong.
I've asked him to clarify... He told me to google vacated wins...
I've asked him to clarify... He told me to google vacated wins...
Posted on 12/10/10 at 4:26 pm to Bellabama
Bella, that's been my point the whole time. Assuming Auburn did not pay the Newtons or do anything wrong, are you at peace with the current NCAA ruling? The answer is evident in your posts and that's why its just as humorous to watch individuals jump to conclusions looking for a hint or glimmer of hope that their program didn't fail them this year and to justify their shortcomings as victims of the most shameful scandal to blemish the face of college football.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 4:27 pm to AUBfanatic
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that's why its just as humorous to watch individuals jump to conclusions looking for a hint or glimmer of hope that their program didn't fail them this year and to justify their shortcomings as victims of the most shameful scandal to blemish the face of college football.
You want to know how I know you suffer from LBS?
Posted on 12/10/10 at 4:33 pm to AUBfanatic
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AUBfanatic
Man, I wish we would have had you here when the story broke, to methodically tell us how the Newton scandal was just a bunch of garbage, and how it was all just sour grapes from MSU, with no basis in fact.
Unfortunately, you disappeared on November 4th (the day it broke), and didn't reappear until December 10th.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 4:39 pm to michaeldwde
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Traitor...You are officially out of the family.
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I don't believe Cameron, anymore. I think he knew all about what his dad was doing. I think he's lying. I hope they never find any proof he's full of shite.
Traitor...You are officially out of the family.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 4:46 pm to Bellabama
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I think it's fairly clear to the average poster at this point that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, but you think you do.
Oh Bella, your tone changed so quickly once I exposed how your brilliant retort made absolutly no sense in respect to this case. I know everything that an outsider can possibly know about this case which, unfortunately, isn't a lot. I thought we were toast for quite a while until I researched various infraction cases and compared notes with other lawyers. I do feel I know more about this than you do and am increasingly confident that you may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer yourself.
I forgot which one you said this but, you believe that the enforcement side of the NCAA had no insight into the obvious determination to declare Cam ineligible for one day only to reinstate him immediately?
You believe that the NCAA would prefer to let a team/player finish their season, said player collect awards, and allow the team to participate in two championship games if they had the slightest doubt about the case as they understood it today would eventually result in the forfeiture of wins etc?
I just think its more plausible that the NCAA doesn't have anything on Auburn and is unwilling to penalize Auburn for an infraction that occurred at MSU based on the documented actions of the NCAA. Its a fact and to suggest that Auburn is facing something larger down the road only makes sense if Auburn is found to have done something wrong which is baseless at this point. That Bella, is why your argument to the contrary wreaks of sour grapes. I'm sorry the Tide faithful paid $6 million for a 9-3 season and you've had to watch Auburn accomplish everything you thought you would have enjoyed this year but spare me. Your just another Bammer
Posted on 12/10/10 at 4:50 pm to DvlsAdvocat
I only came here to brush up on LSU before our game. I was disinterested in the site afterwards. Sorry to spoil your timeline theory though.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 4:50 pm to AUBfanatic
Aaaaaaaaaand out come the true colors.
It's too bad that your kind will be the first to disappear if something does happen to AU because you won't be able to take the heat.
Your stupidity hurts my feelings.
It's too bad that your kind will be the first to disappear if something does happen to AU because you won't be able to take the heat.
Your stupidity hurts my feelings.
This post was edited on 12/10/10 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 12/10/10 at 4:54 pm to AUBfanatic
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AUBfanatic
So when you were saying Cam was free and clear, and there is no ambiguity or no ongoing investigation because the NCAA ruled him eligible for 2 games you were being sarcastic?
Otherwise, you would be interpreting grey and intentionally ambiguous wording as decisive and undeniable fact.
People generally do this when they have a difficult time with the anxiety that comes with limbo, and so they assign rigid parameters to contain the unknown.
At the same time, projecting motives onto a fan, and then using that as an argument for discrediting their theories, while not exercising the same action upon your own perspective, is a bit ridiculous.
It's all sort of pointless anyway, though. The reality of the situation will evolve regardless of what you think or read into current decisions.
I might offer this to ponder... put your objective hat on, and assume for a second that Cam is still being investigated, which, they have actually said is the case. Tell me, if you will,
a) why the NCAA might have decided it was best to make a ruling on his eligibility now, as opposed to a non statement either way.
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b) the benefits of declaring him eligible, based on indisputable evidence at this point vs declaring him ineligible.
With that in mind, based on what you know of Emmert's attempts to clean up the NCAA, the ruling involving USC, and what he'll want his legacy to be, as well as his current limitations, what the best plan of action would have been, given the situation at hand.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 4:54 pm to BamaChick
Ok, so I left Nov 4th because I was anxious over how my feeling may or not be hurt with the Cam Situation and then randomly decided on a Thursday night that Auburn was in the clear and it was time to ramp up the bashing campaign? You guys got me pegged. By the way, what kind of weirdo actually pulls up people's profiles. Actually, that tells me a lot. I've got to hit the road, but I'll make sure to write often so as not to look too afraid of you faceless internet posters. LOL Roll Tide Roll!!!!!!!!
Posted on 12/10/10 at 4:56 pm to AUBfanatic
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By the way, what kind of weirdo actually pulls up people's profiles.
Who and what in the hell are you talking about?
Posted on 12/10/10 at 4:57 pm to AU86
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Traitor...You are officially out of the family.
I've been drinking orange and blue Kool-aid for years. I'm not about to quit now. I'm just not swallowing the "cammy-cam juice". The kid sounds suspect to me. I think they should go back to saying "no comment", fast.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 4:57 pm to BamaChick
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By the way, what kind of weirdo actually pulls up people's profiles.
CFBfan looks at mine all the time.... without my permission.
guess what? He is part of your family
Posted on 12/10/10 at 4:57 pm to toomersdrugs
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im sure youve never lied or stolen something in your life
hes a frickin kid. hell i know ive done worse in my life than what cam has done in his
You are one dumb motherfricker. Keep your head in the sand you fricking clown. We are not talking about taking an extra cookie from a cookie jar here.
Stealing: yes I totally believe he knew the laptop was stolen
Cheating: funny how the media can't have access to his student records at UF. If his records were good he'd be promoting them not hiding them.
Lying: that POS hasn't stopped lying since he was enrolled at UF.
Cam & Trooper Taylor are fricking garbage!
Posted on 12/10/10 at 5:01 pm to nycajun
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I think he knew all about what his dad was doing.
Is there a person with more than 2 working synapses who thinks he didn't know? I seriously doubt it.
what is the over and under on how many family members do time in federal prison for lying to FBI?
I have 2. Mom will come clean. "It was them two".
Posted on 12/10/10 at 5:01 pm to villager
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I think AUBfanatic is holding his own here.. I'd say it's 50-50 right now..
no it's more like 100- 0 degrees kelvin
Posted on 12/10/10 at 5:06 pm to TheoreticalTiger
I love how the Auburn fans have shifted from "Cam is innocent" to "nobody can prove anything" and "innocent until proven guilty". While this is great in a court of law, this is not how we live our lives. We can't issue search warrants and put people on the stand to find out the truth with certainty. Instead, we all take our best guess. If you think someone has been fricking you over, you wouldn't invite him to come hang out because he's "innocent until proven guilty". So no, we haven't seen any smoking guns proving that Cam was paid, but the circumstantial evidence has reached the point where the likelihood is enormous. When it's all said and done Auburn is going to be eating a giant shite sandwich. At least you'll have some left over Cammy Cam juice to wash it down.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 5:12 pm to Bellabama
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Just because YOU don't understand the ruling, or unconsciously assume things, doesn't mean that others can't infer a better understanding of what is going on, nor does it mean they are reading into things that don't exist because they are butthurt, jealous, or paranoid.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 5:13 pm to memphisplaya
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a) why the NCAA might have decided it was best to make a ruling on his eligibility now, as opposed to a non statement either way.
I understand that an investigation is officially open. I also understand that Auburn could be found to have done something that would vacate wins. You've now pesuaded me to look at this entirely different and I now realize that Auburn has clearly violated NCAA bylaws. I realize now that Auburn basically threw the middle finger up to the NCAA by continuing to play Cam when any other school would have known to sit him. I realize now that despite the majority of the country being totally unaware of who Cam Newton was, Auburn decided to pay his dad $180,000 on the hopes that he would be as great as he appeared at Blinn. A fair gamble considering how many 4 and 5 star recruits every single year end up being total busts but the risk/reward for paying the player makes total sense. I also believe that Auburn pays for every player that commits to Auburn because why else would you ever want to attend our school. Right? I feel so much better now. Thanks guys, its been a pleasure and thank you for freeing me of my Auburn shackles. Hoorah!!!
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