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re: SEC head coaches whose teams have won a New Year's Six bowl game

Posted on 5/14/24 at 8:42 pm to
Posted by SidewalkTiger
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Posted on 5/14/24 at 8:42 pm to
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It always amazes me how some fans deride a team that just beat their arse. Georgia never took a single snap in the 4th quarter with a chance to take the lead.


Reminds me of Alabama fans in 2019
Posted by DawginSC
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Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:21 pm to
weird post in wrong thread. Deleted.
This post was edited on 5/14/24 at 10:34 pm
Posted by DawginSC
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Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:32 pm to
I'd list it this way

Smart: Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Peach Bowl x2, Orange Bowl x2, CFP National title game x 2. 8 total wins.

Drink - 1 Cotton bowl.
Kiffin - 1 Peach bowl.
Heupel - 1 Orange Bowl.\
Deboer - 1 Sugar Bowl
Freeze - 1 Sugar bowl

5 total wins amongst all of the rest of the SEC head coaches other than Kirby..

8 > 5.
Posted by DawginSC
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Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:35 pm to
quote:


It always amazes me how some fans deride a team that just beat their arse. Georgia never took a single snap in the 4th quarter with a chance to take the lead.


Alabama... where a 3 point win is "beating their arse" but a 15 point loss is "a very close game".

Because... Bama math.
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
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Posted on 5/14/24 at 11:01 pm to
Margin of victory in the last ten Alabama/Georgia games.

2007: Georgia +3
2008: Alabama +11
2012: Alabama +4
2015: Alabama +28
2017: Alabama +3
2018: Alabama +7
2020: Alabama +17
2021: Alabama +17
2022: Georgia + 15
2023: Alabama +3
Posted by Shepherd88
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Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:57 am to
Wasn’t Freeze’ sugar bowl negated from NCAA violations?
Posted by MrMojoRisin
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Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:25 am to
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Now do how many of those coaches have been in the NCG. We'll wait.


Sprinkles are for winners. This thread isn’t about participation.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:13 am to
Yes. 3 Bama wins since Kirby Smart arrived were 1 score games. We call those "close games" 2 Bama wins were not close. The 2020 regular season matchup and 2021 SECCG were arse whippings.

UGA's win in the NC game was also an arse whipping.

3 point and 7 point wins... are not.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:20 am to
quote:

I'd list it this way

Smart: Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Peach Bowl x2, Orange Bowl x2, CFP National title game x 2. 8 total wins.

Drink - 1 Cotton bowl.
Kiffin - 1 Peach bowl.
Heupel - 1 Orange Bowl.\
Deboer - 1 Sugar Bowl
Freeze - 1 Sugar bowl

5 total wins amongst all of the rest of the SEC head coaches other than Kirby..

8 > 5.


For some coaches, an edge like this would be about longevity. But it's not for Smart. Kirby is only 48 years old. The only guys on the list younger than him are Heupel (46) and Drink (41). Kiffin and Deboer are 49. Freeze is 54. Kelly (who hasn't won a NY6 game) is 62.

Only Drink has fewer years as a head coach. Deboer has less coaching at FBS schools, but more when you include his NAIA head coaching stops.
Posted by rtr23242526
Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:06 am to
Going forward
.win a 6 bowl u won a playoff game
Posted by lsudave1
Baton Metairie
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:59 am to
SEC West Coaches who have won the division:

Brian Kelly

Crickets
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:33 am to
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SEC West Coaches who have won the division:


There is no such thing as "SEC WEST" coaches anymore. Divisions no longer exist. There are just "SEC coaches".

SEC coaches who've won a SEC division:

Brian Kelly - 1
Kirby Smart - 6

And that's it.
Posted by lsudave1
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Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:50 am to
Good point. RIP SEC West :(
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:52 am to
If I'm being honest, BK's NY6 bowl record doesn't really concern me, he got a bad draw most of the time.

2008 Orange Bowl was Virginia Tech vs Cincinnati, Cincinnati had never even won 10 games in a season prior to BK and he had them in the Orange Bowl in his second season.

2012 National Championship was basically peak Saban and Alabama, Notre Dame didn't have a fraction of the talent that Alabama did.

2016 Fiesta Bowl was Notre Dame vs Ohio State, basically the only matchup that he arguably "had a chance" in. So maybe a strike here for the loss.

2018 Cotton Bowl was a playoff game vs Clemson. No one beat Clemson that year and they went on to beat Alabama just as bad as they did Notre Dame.

2020 Rose Bowl was another playoff game vs Alabama, another team that went undefeated and won the natty. Arguably the most dominant Alabama team in their history.
Posted by DawginSC
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Posted on 5/15/24 at 12:03 pm to
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f I'm being honest, BK's NY6 bowl record doesn't really concern me, he got a bad draw most of the time.


Isn't that a bit of a copout though?

Part of coaching is to make it to those games (which he did). Part of it is also to win those games (which he hasn't). If the teams he built weren't good enough to win those games, doesn't that count toward his evaluation?

Notre Dame not having enough talent to match up with opponents like Alabama, Clemson or OSU is in part due to his recruiting. UGA does have the talent to compete in games like that... mainly due to Kirby Smart's ability to recruit. That's a big part of being a college football coach.
Posted by TouchdownTony
Central Alabama
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 5/15/24 at 12:10 pm to

quote:

Congrats to these outstanding coaches

Let's not get carried away.

Lane Kiffin (Peach)
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 5/15/24 at 12:36 pm to
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Isn't that a bit of a copout though?

Part of coaching is to make it to those games (which he did). Part of it is also to win those games (which he hasn't). If the teams he built weren't good enough to win those games, doesn't that count toward his evaluation?

Notre Dame not having enough talent to match up with opponents like Alabama, Clemson or OSU is in part due to his recruiting. UGA does have the talent to compete in games like that... mainly due to Kirby Smart's ability to recruit. That's a big part of being a college football coach.

Who knows?

I'm just saying he got bad draws most of the time.

Eli Drinkwitz beats Ohio State and their 4th string quarterback and gets a NY6 bowl win, we congratulate him.

Kirby faced Florida State's second team this year.

Oregon faced Liberty.

Then we say BK is a bad coach because he didn't beat three natty winners who went a combined 41-1.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 5/15/24 at 2:23 pm to
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Kirby faced Florida State's second team this year.


5 of Kirby's 8 NY6 wins were in the playoffs, where the opponent had 1 or fewer losses and could have been a national champion had UGA lost instead of won.

In 2 of the other 3, UGA had more players sitting out than their opponent.

And in the one you pointed out, UGA didn't just win, they set a new record for the biggest bowl margin of victory ever, winning by 60 points. This surpassed the prior record which UGA set in the national championship game the year before winning by 58 points.

It kind of feels like a copout.
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 2:25 pm
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 5/15/24 at 2:36 pm to
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5 of Kirby's 8 NY6 wins were in the playoffs, where the opponent had 1 or fewer losses and could have been a national champion had UGA lost instead of won.

In 2 of the other 3, UGA had more players sitting out than their opponent.

And in the one you pointed out, UGA didn't just win, they set a new record for the biggest bowl margin of victory ever, winning by 60 points. This surpassed the prior record which UGA set in the national championship game the year before winning by 58 points.

It kind of feels like a copout.


I don't believe BK is as good of a coach or recruiter as Kirby is.

I also don't believe that Notre Dame is as committed to winning in football as Georgia, Notre Dame has been coasting on their reputation for awhile now.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
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Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 5/15/24 at 3:21 pm to


This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 3:42 pm
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