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re: The criticism of Brian Kelly is interesting

Posted on 5/8/24 at 2:02 pm to
Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 2:02 pm to
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But you just said he's trying to pretend that LSU doesn't bid for players.



I think it's pretty clear that LSU pays players, I'm sure they pay market value, they may pay certain players more than market value.

Kelly is clearly saying they aren't going to pay some outlandish number to some random transfer portal player though.


If you bid, you are attempting to be the highest bidder. It's not golf.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 2:04 pm to
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If you bid, you are attempting to be the highest bidder. It's not golf.


That just isn't true.

Look at Kadyn Proctor, it was widely reported that he took less money to come to Alabama and be coached by Saban.
Posted by TideSaint
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 2:07 pm to
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Look at Kadyn Proctor, it was widely reported that he took less money to come to Alabama and be coached by Saban.


Widely report by who?
Posted by SidewalkTiger
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Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 2:09 pm to
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Widely report by who?


Proctor himself said it.

Josh Pate said he was telling the truth.

Just off the top of my head.
Posted by thatthang
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 2:11 pm to
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He echoed many of the same sentiments that are posted on this board daily, he stated that LSU is not interested in players who are simply looking for a fat paycheck.


quote:

I don't know that I've ever trashed an opposing coach for echoing a viewpoint that I share.


You’ve always been a pretty terrible poster incapable of grasping nuanced takes…. and yet I’m still surprised by your confusion on this issue. First of all, I don’t think I’ve ever bashed Kelly in my life nor do I care about what he said as a third party. That said, from what I saw from him getting crushed on here it had nothing to do with whether posters agreed with what he said, they just thought it was a dumb thing to advertise/admit.

Using another hypothetical: let’s say you strongly dislike hip hop or gangster rap. Now, let’s imagine DeBoer bashed this style of music as completely antithesis to what Alabama is and is trying to accomplish as a football program. Would you agree or disagree that that was a dumb thing to do?
Posted by TideSaint
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 2:13 pm to
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Proctor himself said it.


Link?

ETA: It's not that I don't believe you. I just want to see what he said.
This post was edited on 5/8/24 at 2:14 pm
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 2:15 pm to
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You’ve always been a pretty terrible poster incapable of grasping nuanced takes…. and yet I’m still surprised by your confusion on this issue. First of all, I don’t think I’ve ever bashed Kelly in my life nor do I care about what he said as a third party. That said, from what I saw from him getting crushed on here it had nothing to do with whether posters agreed with what he said, they just thought it was a dumb thing to advertise/admit.




I don't think it's dumb to tell players that if they're just looking for money, don't come to LSU.

Those players are usually a problem anyway.

Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 2:16 pm to
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That just isn't true.

Look at Kadyn Proctor, it was widely reported that he took less money to come to Alabama and be coached by Saban.


You are only talking about there being value in the bids beyond a NIL number itself. It's still a bid.

Coaching, facilities, support, etc is all part of the bid. I don't know if this is about a specific player or not, but I know the most recent thing I saw was the DT who went to Oklahoma right? Are you telling me you don't think Oklahoma, a blue blood, has that kind of value in their offer as well? Not to mention a defensive minded head coach vs a HC whose defense hasn't looked good in the 2 years he's been at LSU?

As if LSU is just somehow head and shoulders in these other areas than everyone else? He's either being dishonest or he's fricking delusional. Either way, it's bullshite.
Posted by thatthang
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 2:20 pm to
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I don't think it's dumb to tell players that if they're just looking for money, don't come to LSU. Those players are usually a problem anyway.


I’m actually surprised you didn’t deflect, good on you there. And I get your point, as I got Kelly’s point when I read the whole quote. Again, i think many were just saying it was risky at best to admit all that. Perhaps not.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 2:21 pm to
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Link?

ETA: It's not that I don't believe you. I just want to see what he said.


247 Sports
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“When these stories come out, I hope they understand that,” Proctor said. It wasn’t about the NIL money, because I’m not getting as much money as Iowa would’ve paid me.”

Posted by TKCBama
Member since Aug 2021
77 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 2:23 pm to
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Because we're selling something a little differently and that is: We want to recruit, we want to engage, build relationships, develop, retain, and have success.
"We're not in the market of buying players. And unfortunately, right now, that's what some guys are looking for. They want to be bought."


Funny, there seem to be very few coaches who actually follow that advise. If that were true Kelly would still be at Notre Dame and DeBoer would be at Washington
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 2:28 pm to
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Coaching, facilities, support, etc is all part of the bid. I don't know if this is about a specific player or not, but I know the most recent thing I saw was the DT who went to Oklahoma right? Are you telling me you don't think Oklahoma, a blue blood, has that kind of value in their offer as well? Not to mention a defensive minded head coach vs a HC whose defense hasn't looked good in the 2 years he's been at LSU?

As if LSU is just somehow head and shoulders in these other areas than everyone else? He's either being dishonest or he's fricking delusional. Either way, it's bullshite


Here's what happened.

The kid took visits, everyone offered him "market value." Insiders say it was around $500k.

The kid's handler then started asking for more, some have said as much as $1.5 mil.

Both LSU and Texas said they weren't paying that, according to insiders for both teams, both jumped out around the same time.

Not really sure what happened at Mizzou, then the kid committed to OU. That's what all of this is in response to.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
26890 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 2:32 pm to
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Here's what happened.

The kid took visits, everyone offered him "market value." Insiders say it was around $500k.

The kid's handler then started asking for more, some have said as much as $1.5 mil.

Both LSU and Texas said they weren't paying that, according to insiders for both teams, both jumped out around the same time.

Not really sure what happened at Mizzou, then the kid committed to OU. That's what all of this is in response to.


So you got out bid.

If you just want to say you think someone else overpaid, that's fine. But that's not what he said. He tried to claim he wasn't interested in someone if they just wanted the highest bidder on a guy he made bids for. That's bullshite.

This post was edited on 5/8/24 at 2:33 pm
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 2:38 pm to
When that absolute mouth breather truelefty gets ahold of this news:

I was told LSU have money. LSU not pay recruit why? Brian Kelly not like spend money? LSU have good coaches and player? What LSU doing? LSU win how many game next season?
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
56661 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 2:43 pm to
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When that absolute mouth breather truelefty gets ahold of this news:

I was told LSU have money. LSU not pay recruit why? Brian Kelly not like spend money? LSU have good coaches and player? What LSU doing? LSU win how many game next season?


POTD


Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
56661 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 2:47 pm to
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So you got out bid.

If you just want to say you think someone else overpaid, that's fine. But that's not what he said. He tried to claim he wasn't interested in someone if they just wanted the highest bidder on a guy he made bids for. That's bullshite.


They declined to "bid" once the player came back asking for more.

That pretty much backs up his statement.

They were originally interested in the player, it became clear that he wanted an obscene amount of money, they backed out and said they weren't interested in players who are just looking for "a big bag."

Texas also backed out for the same reason at the same time, according to their insiders.


Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
6216 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 2:51 pm to
My only criticism of Kelly is not really a criticism. Rather it's an observation.

He's a very good coach but he's not elite. He's proven that repeatedly over a long career.

In essence, he's Mark Richt. Both win a ton of games. Neither were elite.


As far as the portal is concerned, the reality is all players entering the portal are looking for one of 3 things.

1 - Playing time. This is mostly guys who are moving down or to an equivalent level of program who haven't been able to win a starting job at their current program. There aren't a ton of programs where a player can "move down" to LSU for playing time, so Kelly isn't going to find guys in this category.

2 - Chance to win a national title. This is mostly guys who have success at a lower school and want to get into a program in the national title hunt. LSU is a good program, but they aren't OSU/UGA/Alabama who have been regularly in the national title mix the past 2-3 years. They do have a chance at these guys, but they're behind a few others in the pecking order.

3 - Paycheck. Most of these guys are "trading up" with schools as well, but they're less focused on the team they are going to winning a title and more focused on how they can personally benefit by going to that team. That category is the one LSU could have the most success recruiting... but it sounds like Kelly doesn't want the players in that group.

That leaves them with the tiny number of players who are in group 2 who think LSU is a true NC contender and choose not to go to a school that's more in contention.

UGA doesn't get into bidding wars for transfers, but they do offer NIL deals to proven players coming in. They also offer the chance to play for a team likely to be in NC contention and a history of putting a large number of players into the NFL recently. They don't win players who JUST want a paycheck, but some paycheck is coming with the rest of the stuff UGA has to offer to make a solid overall package for incoming guys.

The reality is the less you have to offer outside of money, the more money that needs to be in your offer to win. It's the reality of college football today.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
56661 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 2:55 pm to
I agree
Posted by Captain Insano
Idk
Member since Jun 2012
1140 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 3:12 pm to
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He never said that they aren't paying players.

He just said they aren't interested in players who are only interested in going to the highest bidder.

Pretty simple to figure out what’s going on here.

LSU bids on Player X.

LSU gets outbid for Player X.

Fanbase gets out pitchforks because LSU didn’t sign Players X, Y or Z.

Brian Kelly: “We aren’t interested in players who are going to the highest bidder.”

Fanbase: “Yeah, those players were only interested in money. We don’t want that type of player anyway.”

Fanbase puts down pitchforks.
Posted by Tideroller
Lower Alabama
Member since Jan 2022
2788 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 3:14 pm to
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I don't think it's dumb to tell players that if they're just looking for money, don't come to LSU.


Unfortunately, it appears that most players are taking money as a major consideration. I still get sick thinking about Saban saying that in his end of season meetings with players (which he does every year to discuss plans, goals, etc. ), all they wanted to talk about was money and that was a big factor in his retiring.
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