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re: Vols have jumped up big early on against Bama in the past two seasons
Posted on 5/5/24 at 10:59 am to DirtyCreekBottoms
Posted on 5/5/24 at 10:59 am to DirtyCreekBottoms
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Even Butch Jones beat Kirby in Kirby's first year at UGA
Please remind us of what's happened in the seven years since.
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Posted on 5/5/24 at 11:34 am to DirtyCreekBottoms
Posted on 5/5/24 at 11:46 am to DirtyCreekBottoms
quote:nobody is going to be jumping out big in front of bama this year. Deboer is an offensive genius, and now he's got top tier talent level that he's never had the luxury of before. He took Washington from 107th to 7th n scoring offense year 1. He took Fresno State from 58th to 36th then to 26th. He took Indiana from 88th to 42nd in one season. Everywhere he coached as OC or head coach the offense dramatically improved (incidentally, same with Womack, every defense he's had as DC or head coach improved significantly year to year).
Vols have jumped up big early on against Bama in the past two seasons
Bama was 24th in scoring in 2024 with the least creative offense anyone has ever ran, better than Tennessee despite a horrendous scheme. Expect bama to be top 5 in offense.
Defense might be a problem early dur to losses to the portal
Edit: preemptively, we know it was deboer and not grubb. Deboer was the OC at Fresno State 2017-2018, he took them from 125th in 2016 scoring to 77th in 2017 then 26th in 2018. He left in 2019 to be OC at Indian and grubb took over as OC at Fresno State in 2019, and without deboer there the offense dropped from 26th to 58th, deboer came back as head coach with grub as OC and they went back to to 26th by year 2. The only time grubb was a power 5 OC he immediately followed deboer and they got worse, then deboer came back and they got good again.
This post was edited on 5/5/24 at 11:57 am
Posted on 5/5/24 at 11:51 am to narddogg81
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Bama was 24th in scoring in 2024 with the least creative offense anyone has ever ran
Well, that's a stretch, even at Bama (Darby up the middle comes to mind).
But, to be fair, it's hard to be creative when the OL played horribly most of the year and getting even a consistently "decent" snap was a victory.
I think Bama is in good hands. Should be a fun year.
Posted on 5/5/24 at 11:58 am to Che Boludo
quote:you are right, the least creative offense ever was bob the previous 2 years, the rees offense was uncreative but more so just didn't know what to do with the players we had. Inept
Well, that's a stretch, even at Bama (Darby up the middle comes to mind).
Posted on 5/5/24 at 2:09 pm to Knowshon5Dolla
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Please remind us of what's happened in the seven years since.
OP has 7 years of almost always being wrong
Posted on 5/5/24 at 2:30 pm to djsdawg
Well for starters Nico was the number two ranked player in the entire night while Milton was ranked 204-th best player.
1: Milton was a multiple year senior who couldn't get it done at his original school, Michigan despite having plenty of chances and experience.
2: Milton wasn't considered a prodigy by anyone. His 3 star 247 and low 4 star composite rating status will show you that as well. He never viewed as being anything to a sure thing due to his accuracy issues, but obviously had a tonne of potential.
He was the 15th ranked pro style QB in Trevor Lawrence 's class and was never really considered a true dual threat like Nico. Also, the guy was in college forever.
3: Pretty much every one in the nation wanted Nico coming out of highschool. Only Michigan, Florida and Boston College along with several tiny schools wanted him.
4: You don't spend 6 million dollars on a player unless you have vetted him thoroughly and are convinced he's as close to a sure thing as you can get. No one would have ever spent that kind of money on Milton.
5: Nico is an elite scrambler in addition to his passing abilities. Milton only has straight line speed and is very slow to read the field and react. He always hates physical contact. He doesn't have any dog in him whatsoever.
Here is Milton's and Nico's original 247 recruiting profiles below. You would think a kid with Milton's measurables would be a 5 star, but his football IQ and fundamentals as a QB were always lacking and never really improved. Heupel did a hell of a job making his stats look decent and getting him drafted .
Joe Milton 247 recruiting profile
And here is Nico's profile:
Nico - 247 sports profile
1: Milton was a multiple year senior who couldn't get it done at his original school, Michigan despite having plenty of chances and experience.
2: Milton wasn't considered a prodigy by anyone. His 3 star 247 and low 4 star composite rating status will show you that as well. He never viewed as being anything to a sure thing due to his accuracy issues, but obviously had a tonne of potential.
He was the 15th ranked pro style QB in Trevor Lawrence 's class and was never really considered a true dual threat like Nico. Also, the guy was in college forever.
3: Pretty much every one in the nation wanted Nico coming out of highschool. Only Michigan, Florida and Boston College along with several tiny schools wanted him.
4: You don't spend 6 million dollars on a player unless you have vetted him thoroughly and are convinced he's as close to a sure thing as you can get. No one would have ever spent that kind of money on Milton.
5: Nico is an elite scrambler in addition to his passing abilities. Milton only has straight line speed and is very slow to read the field and react. He always hates physical contact. He doesn't have any dog in him whatsoever.
Here is Milton's and Nico's original 247 recruiting profiles below. You would think a kid with Milton's measurables would be a 5 star, but his football IQ and fundamentals as a QB were always lacking and never really improved. Heupel did a hell of a job making his stats look decent and getting him drafted .
Joe Milton 247 recruiting profile
And here is Nico's profile:
Nico - 247 sports profile
Posted on 5/5/24 at 2:53 pm to DirtyCreekBottoms
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1: Milton was a multiple year senior who couldn't get it done at his original school, Michigan despite having plenty of chances and experience.
This is weird because When you hyped him up last year, we told you this.
Posted on 5/5/24 at 6:55 pm to DirtyCreekBottoms
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Well for starters
What do you consider to be “consistently elite”?
Posted on 5/6/24 at 1:17 pm to DirtyCreekBottoms
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We have the best defensive lineman in the nation in Pearce
Or is he second best in the sec east?
Posted on 5/6/24 at 1:47 pm to DirtyCreekBottoms
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Well for starters Nico was the number two ranked player...
Well, for starters this year according to Vegas, six SEC QBs have better hiesman odds than your boy.
Player Odds (Top Ten)
Quinn Ewers +900
Carson Beck +900
Dillon Gabriel +1000
Jalen Milroe +1400
Will Howard +1500
Jaxson Dart +2000
Garrett Nussmeier +2000
D.J. Uiagalelei +2000
Nico Iamaleava +2500
Vegas Odds
Posted on 5/6/24 at 2:28 pm to KennesawTiger
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Tennessee fans assume that all their players will improve leaps and bounds to All-American status while everyone else will stay the same or get worse.
Arrogant SOB's.
No, just stupid. They have nothing to be arrogant about.
Posted on 5/6/24 at 5:42 pm to narddogg81
So you are telling me he's going to be an instant upgrade over Saban's staff for your offense?
He had one of if not the best veteran QBs in the nation last year at Washington who was very adapted to his system. Kind of like Heupel in 2022 only he had a deeper roster overall and played in a much easier conference.
Next year is going to be a huge down year for both the gumps and LSU.
I think because of this, Texas and Oklahoma will make some big noise and their fans will be shite talking like crazy their first year here. They still won't win anything of significance because of one if the three: Tennessee, UGA and/or Ole Miss.
On paper, i have Texas and OU over Bama and LSU by 10 plus each if it's a neutral field.
Bama won't finish in the top 5 SEC teams next year. LSU will be behind them though despite that. Both of you are in big time transition seasons next year for obvious reasons.
He had one of if not the best veteran QBs in the nation last year at Washington who was very adapted to his system. Kind of like Heupel in 2022 only he had a deeper roster overall and played in a much easier conference.
Next year is going to be a huge down year for both the gumps and LSU.
I think because of this, Texas and Oklahoma will make some big noise and their fans will be shite talking like crazy their first year here. They still won't win anything of significance because of one if the three: Tennessee, UGA and/or Ole Miss.
On paper, i have Texas and OU over Bama and LSU by 10 plus each if it's a neutral field.
Bama won't finish in the top 5 SEC teams next year. LSU will be behind them though despite that. Both of you are in big time transition seasons next year for obvious reasons.
This post was edited on 5/6/24 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 5/6/24 at 5:56 pm to cyarrr
If even Manning couldn't win it, then i doubt a Tennessee QB ever will. He will be in the discussion though and will push for number one in 2025, but the Heisman is a joke of an award and you know that. I could care less about Vegas odds on it and i wouldn't expect them to give high odds to a new QB. I know one thing, Nico will have a better year than Nuss and whoever Bama trots out. I'm willing to put money behind that statement.
Posted on 5/6/24 at 6:23 pm to DirtyCreekBottoms
This is nothing new. Vol fans are the best in hyping the season ahead, only to be disappointed. This is simply the latest rendition.
Posted on 5/6/24 at 6:43 pm to jonnyanony
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Funny how all the preseason things that will scare the SEC suddenly become the sole reason the Vols didn't win. Every. Single. Year.
Their running game last year was supposed to demolish Missouri. 23 carries for 83 yards and 2 fumbles lost later...Vols fans vanished.
I'm looking forward to that Tennessee at OU game. Heupel returns home. Of course, if OU plays typical Big 12 defense, Nico will have a field day. We shall see.
Posted on 5/6/24 at 6:47 pm to DirtyCreekBottoms
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If even Manning couldn't win it, then i doubt a Tennessee QB ever will
Yeah, because there’s a conspiracy within the Heisman foundation against Tennessee players.
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I could care less about Vegas odds on it and i wouldn't expect them to give high odds to a new QB.
Meh, Garrett Nussmeier has played sparingly in mop up duty at LSU, pretty much same situation.
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I know one thing, Nico will have a better year than Nuss and whoever Bama trots out. I'm willing to put money behind that statement.
You don’t know shite. You (one of your alters) probably said the same thing last year about Milton being better than Daniels and Beck.
Posted on 5/6/24 at 7:03 pm to DirtyCreekBottoms
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If even Manning couldn't win it,
What makes a team “consistently elite”?
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