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SEC Football programs that should be winning but can’t find their mojo
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:34 am
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:34 am
It truly amazes me that Ole Miss and Missouri are playing at an elite level while Florida, Tennessee, and Auburn can’t reclaim their previous level of success. TAMU has spent enough money to buy Miami but has pissed it away so fast. For the life of me I can’t understand why South Carolina hasn’t been able to breakthrough when places like Kentucky have.
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Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:36 am to rebeloke
Coaching. That's the why. You can put tons of NIL money to work, but if you have Jimbo or Harsin coaching them, it doesnt mean anything.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:44 am to rebeloke
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TAMU has spent enough money to buy Miami but has pissed it away so fast
Never meant to last,
They take it in the arse
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:51 am to rebeloke
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TAMU has spent enough money to buy Miami but has pissed it away so fast.
It's true. 
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:55 am to rebeloke
It really surprises me how far Florida has fallen. They came into that thrown shoe game hunting a national title several years ago and now they’re not even mid tier SEC anymore.
17-24 overall record since and theyre 100% going to have 4 straight losing seasons after next year. Over the last 3 years the only SEC team they have a better conference record than is Vanderbilt.
17-24 overall record since and theyre 100% going to have 4 straight losing seasons after next year. Over the last 3 years the only SEC team they have a better conference record than is Vanderbilt.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 9:02 am to rebeloke
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I can’t understand why South Carolina hasn’t been able to breakthrough
Posted on 3/14/24 at 9:04 am to rebeloke
Arkansas should be on this list. We can’t get out of our way.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 9:04 am to rebeloke
quote:Consistency is key from the top at Athletic Director all the way down. If you are constantly having turnover due to outside influences (boosters) it’s going to cause issues.
It truly amazes me that Ole Miss and Missouri are playing at an elite level while Florida, Tennessee, and Auburn can’t reclaim their previous level of success.
Florida, Auburn, Arkansas, A&M and to an extent Tennessee have this problem. Tennessee seems to be pulling in the same direction now though finally
This post was edited on 3/14/24 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 3/14/24 at 9:09 am to rebeloke
Back in 2012 when Mizzou was joining the SEC, if you'd told me that our football team would win the East twice in the first decade, put together a 10-win team about one-third of the time, and beat Ohio State in an NY6 bowl - but our basketball team would be worst in the conference and go winless, I would've laughed my arse off at you. But here we are, I guess that's why they play the games.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 9:19 am to rebeloke
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For the life of me I can’t understand why South Carolina hasn’t been able to breakthrough when places like Kentucky have.
We have a all time winning record against Kentucky. They have never finished a season ranked in the top 10 and we have more than once. How exactly has Kentucky done more than we have?
Posted on 3/14/24 at 9:20 am to rebeloke
As others have said - it is coaching. Even bammer had their time in the desert.
But the programs you mentioned are different.
1. Tennessee and Auburn have to directly deal with Alabama. Play them every year and fight for recruits in a 4 hour radius. When Alabama is strong - it impacts these two.
2. Florida is the outlier. They have the most talent rich state and have far less competition. Any coach that is not a moron should win 9 games annually in Gainesville. (Just like LSU). Their only limitation is themselves.
But the programs you mentioned are different.
1. Tennessee and Auburn have to directly deal with Alabama. Play them every year and fight for recruits in a 4 hour radius. When Alabama is strong - it impacts these two.
2. Florida is the outlier. They have the most talent rich state and have far less competition. Any coach that is not a moron should win 9 games annually in Gainesville. (Just like LSU). Their only limitation is themselves.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 9:39 am to rebeloke
What amazes me is everyone expects their team to win. It's a sporting contest that has 1 winner and 1 loser. 100% of the time, the game of football has a loser. Wouldn't it be nice if there were no losers? Everybody could play to a draw or be a winner for having fun playing the sport they love.
Think of all the negativity that would immediately go away...
Think of all the negativity that would immediately go away...
This post was edited on 3/14/24 at 9:41 am
Posted on 3/14/24 at 9:42 am to rebeloke
In Auburn's case, it was a series of unfortunate events. When Tuberville started getting blown out in recruiting by Saban, they put a guy completely without leverage in the head coach job and surrounded him with street agents to recruit. It worked, briefly. Then came Gus with his flavor-of-the-month spread variety. It worked, briefly. Gus felt his scheme held all the answers to talent gaps. Meanwhile, Saban continued his stranglehold on talent in Alabama, Kirby closed up Georgia, thanks to the worst AD hires in Auburn history, Gus got extended and led to the Harsin experiment and now we have Freeze.
It WAS coaching. In the future, I don't think coaches will matter as much. It's all going to be about year to year money and scouting, which will all likely be handled by off the field positions.
It WAS coaching. In the future, I don't think coaches will matter as much. It's all going to be about year to year money and scouting, which will all likely be handled by off the field positions.
This post was edited on 3/14/24 at 9:43 am
Posted on 3/14/24 at 9:44 am to rebeloke
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For the life of me I can’t understand why South Carolina hasn’t been able to breakthrough when places like Kentucky have.
what's your criteria for 'breaking through' .... ?
11 win seasons?
SECCG appearances ?
do you want a hint which one of the two has done both ....?
USC 10-14 SEC w Beamer / Stoops 11-13 in that time - Beamer has won 2 of 3 head to head w Stoops -
Posted on 3/14/24 at 10:06 am to rebeloke
quote:Good post with one exception.
It truly amazes me that Ole Miss and Missouri are playing at an elite level while Florida, Tennessee, and Auburn can’t reclaim their previous level of success. TAMU has spent enough money to buy Miami but has pissed it away so fast. For the life of me I can’t understand why South Carolina hasn’t been able to breakthrough when places like Kentucky have.
Not hating on them, but Missouri needs to have another season or two like last year before I would say they are playing at an elite level (unless you're just talking about last season only).
I do agree with the rest. Ole Miss keeps improving under Kiffen, so I would agree they have been playing at an elite level lately.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 11:29 am to rebeloke
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It truly amazes me that Ole Miss and Missouri are playing at an elite level
SAY WHAT? Elite?
WTF have have you won? Absolutely NOTHING!
Elite...
Posted on 3/14/24 at 11:30 am to rebeloke
I guess that's "elite level" to Ole Miss fans
Posted on 3/14/24 at 12:17 pm to rebeloke
It's almost like coaching matters. Imagine that.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 12:24 pm to rebeloke
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It truly amazes me that Ole Miss and Missouri are playing at an elite level while Florida, Tennessee, and Auburn can’t reclaim their previous level of success
Last two seasons:
Elite Teams:
Missouri 16-9 (definitely elite)
Ole Miss 19-7 (definitely elite_
Not Elite Teams:
Tennessee 20-6 (not able to achieve success)
Got it! Thread checks out.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 12:46 pm to rebeloke
Auburn’s level of success under Gus Malzahn would make Ole Miss and Missouri absolutely giddy.
In his first 7 seasons, he had an SEC Title, two SEC West Titles, a national title game appearance, and a 3-4 record over Bama which was better than any other program during that time period.
Eventually though, the Auburn powerbrokers (and a majority of fans BTW) got tired of the inconsistency and they pulled the trigger to get rid of him. They hired Harsin which was an absolute disaster and unfortunately will take 5-7 years or so to overcome.
It’s all about coaching hires. A bad hire sets you back.
In his first 7 seasons, he had an SEC Title, two SEC West Titles, a national title game appearance, and a 3-4 record over Bama which was better than any other program during that time period.
Eventually though, the Auburn powerbrokers (and a majority of fans BTW) got tired of the inconsistency and they pulled the trigger to get rid of him. They hired Harsin which was an absolute disaster and unfortunately will take 5-7 years or so to overcome.
It’s all about coaching hires. A bad hire sets you back.
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