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Posted on 3/12/24 at 10:01 pm to FlyDownTheField83
Posted on 3/12/24 at 10:01 pm to FlyDownTheField83
quote:Please post a link where ANYONE has stated that the reason any school recruits players is in order to get a degree?
(please do not start with the free college education, not one person on this rant thinks a player is recruited to Alabama football in order to get a degree)
You won’t be able to.
The purpose of a scholarship from the school’s perspective has always been to obtain their athletic (or academic or whatever) skills in return for an OPPORTUNITY to get a degree (among other benefits).
No school gives a damn if scholarship recipients actually get a degree as long as they can remain eligible. It’s been that way as long as I can remember.
If you think the current environment in college sports is sustainable, then you are delusional. NIL can be regulated to where it is truly used as intended (name, image, likeness of player with NO input from schools) rather than the current Wild West with unlimited transfers. I do not know exactly how, but it can be done. No professional league has unlimited free agency, why should college?
Again, I have no problem with a student athlete cashing on themselves (NIL), but not at the expense of eliminating ALL non-revenue sports (and subsequent opportunities) for millions of future student-athletes. That is where we are headed the way things are now.
Yes, there are constitutional laws in this country. There are also unique situations where groups have an antitrust exemption…such as MLB. College sports should get one also.
US college sports have no true parallel anywhere in the world. It is a totally unique animal and should be treated as such if people want to preserve it. If it is allowed to become a true professional league, then it’s uniqueness will be lost forever.
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Posted on 3/12/24 at 11:30 pm to GusAU
You really are so determined to preserve the past that you would grant college football an antitrust exemption?
This was a political show by Ted Cruz, nothing more or less.
There is zero chance … zero, nil, nada … of an antitrust exemption for college football getting through Congress. It is not going to happen, no matter how many fans bitch about it on message boards.
The key to fixing this is, again, contractual. The schools and the athletes sign a mutually constructed agreement … it will never again be take it or leave it with the athlete having no voice … that an athlete will stay for a certain length of time or incur a penalty. That fixes the Wild West transfer portal which is the real problem here.
The athletes getting paid more than a scholarship is the new reality and is not going to be changed by Congress or the courts. I think once people accept that, we will reach some sort of equilibrium here and things will settle down and all the dire predictions will prove silly.
But there are some fans who will never accept players not putting their asses on the line as gladiators performing for their entertainment with little compensation in the grand scheme of the sport’s financial structure and dancing at the tug of drill sergeant coaches’ marionette strings, and the schools are going to fight like hell not to have players join them at the feeding trough and share the slop. Is what it is.
This was a political show by Ted Cruz, nothing more or less.
There is zero chance … zero, nil, nada … of an antitrust exemption for college football getting through Congress. It is not going to happen, no matter how many fans bitch about it on message boards.
The key to fixing this is, again, contractual. The schools and the athletes sign a mutually constructed agreement … it will never again be take it or leave it with the athlete having no voice … that an athlete will stay for a certain length of time or incur a penalty. That fixes the Wild West transfer portal which is the real problem here.
The athletes getting paid more than a scholarship is the new reality and is not going to be changed by Congress or the courts. I think once people accept that, we will reach some sort of equilibrium here and things will settle down and all the dire predictions will prove silly.
But there are some fans who will never accept players not putting their asses on the line as gladiators performing for their entertainment with little compensation in the grand scheme of the sport’s financial structure and dancing at the tug of drill sergeant coaches’ marionette strings, and the schools are going to fight like hell not to have players join them at the feeding trough and share the slop. Is what it is.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 12:20 am to GusAU
Gus, a lot to unpack here in my response, and while I think several of your statements are ridiculous, I will say at the outset that I also really enjoy college football and, War Eagle,….for whatever that is worth.
First, on the purpose of the scholarship,….the purpose of the school in getting the players onto their football team is to exploit their athletic abilities to win games which in turn earns millions and millions for coaches and institutions. The scholarship is just window dressing that used to mean something. An untold number of posters on the rant say over and over that the players should be sooooo grateful to have a chance at a free college education when no one involved is seriously thinking about that when they start their college football careers.
I have never said the current situation is sustainable, and I agree it will evolve into some system or operational mode different than what it currently is. A point I am trying to make is that these millionaires who perpetuated the previous system and often exploited 18-22 year old players should be viewed skeptically when they tell us what is wrong and how to fix it.
You blame the athletes for cashing in on NIL and hurting non-revenue sports. That is a laughable oversimplification of cause and effect in terms of connecting those two. The athletes did not create the operating model that causes the non-revenue sports to depend on football. Again it is the millionaire administrators and coaches that led us into this unsustainable operation. Before you limit athlete’s ability to grow their NIL earnings why not use the millionaire salaries of administrators and coaches to fund the non-revenue sports? That would be a better connection of placing the onus on the people that caused us to be in the current situation.
Finally, in terms of being delusional your final two sentences in your post have me picturing someone out of touch with the reality that most large college athletic departments are money-driven win-or-else organizations that are almost completely divorced from the purpose of the college, and they cannot be preserved by going back to the “good old days” of college football.
First, on the purpose of the scholarship,….the purpose of the school in getting the players onto their football team is to exploit their athletic abilities to win games which in turn earns millions and millions for coaches and institutions. The scholarship is just window dressing that used to mean something. An untold number of posters on the rant say over and over that the players should be sooooo grateful to have a chance at a free college education when no one involved is seriously thinking about that when they start their college football careers.
I have never said the current situation is sustainable, and I agree it will evolve into some system or operational mode different than what it currently is. A point I am trying to make is that these millionaires who perpetuated the previous system and often exploited 18-22 year old players should be viewed skeptically when they tell us what is wrong and how to fix it.
You blame the athletes for cashing in on NIL and hurting non-revenue sports. That is a laughable oversimplification of cause and effect in terms of connecting those two. The athletes did not create the operating model that causes the non-revenue sports to depend on football. Again it is the millionaire administrators and coaches that led us into this unsustainable operation. Before you limit athlete’s ability to grow their NIL earnings why not use the millionaire salaries of administrators and coaches to fund the non-revenue sports? That would be a better connection of placing the onus on the people that caused us to be in the current situation.
Finally, in terms of being delusional your final two sentences in your post have me picturing someone out of touch with the reality that most large college athletic departments are money-driven win-or-else organizations that are almost completely divorced from the purpose of the college, and they cannot be preserved by going back to the “good old days” of college football.
This post was edited on 3/13/24 at 12:29 am
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