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No doubt, we have roughly 23 years of recruiting data.

If we selectively remove roughly 15 years of it, Notre Dame had top 10 classes in some of those remaining years (based on which recruiting service you use).

Who can argue with that?

11 of those years are from BK. The other 4 years are from 1 other coach/coaching change year.

And you said you don't dispute Notre Dame recruited well before the rankings.

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BK didn't accumulate 3 losses in a single season his last 4 years at Notre Dame.

Freeman hasn't been able to get under 3 losses in his first 2 years.

You're talking about 1 or 2 games, and the schedules for ND have gotten tougher the past few years as teams like USC have improved. Last year for example they played 4 ranked teams when under BK they usually played only 2.

So a little drop off in record, but seems to be about the same overall in team strength to me.

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Posted by SidewalkTiger

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Posted on 1/22/24 at 2:22 pm to 3down10

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11 of those years are from BK. The other 4 years are from 1 other coach/coaching change year.

I mean those definitely count, you can't pull 3 of Weiss' years and say that's Notre Dame's baseline.

Those were outliers more than anything.

Both of Freeman's classes are borderline top 10, depending on which service you use.

On3 says Notre Dame's average class since 2002 is #16.

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You're talking about 1 or 2 games

Um, no.

Freeman lost 5 games in 2022 and 3 in 2023.

BK never lost more than 2 in his last 4 seasons.

There has definitely been a drop off.

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and the schedules for ND have gotten tougher the past few years as teams like USC have improved. Last year for example they played 4 ranked teams when under BK they usually played only 2.

I recall them facing 4 or so ranked teams in years lile 2018 and 2019