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re: Explain the Harsin comparisons to DeBoer with logic.

Posted on 1/22/24 at 1:14 pm to
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 1/22/24 at 1:14 pm to
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Oh they definitely did, they were an absolutely elite program at one time.

That's my point, they aren't anymore and haven't been, since at least the late 90's.


Their last 3 classes have been top10 classes.

4 of their 5 classes before BK were top10 class.

The only 2 times they didn't bring in top10 classes consistently were the Willingham and BK years. BK still managed top15 classes to be fair.

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Alabama was heading down the same path, luckily Saban was able to get it all turned around.

Also, the Alabama administration made a financial commitment to football, unlike Notre Dame.

It isn't that Notre Dame can't be elite, they just haven't made the financial commitment to being elite in the 21st century.

The academic workload at a place like Notre Dame only makes it that much more difficult.

For all the Marcus Freeman hype, they're undoubtedly taken a step back during his tenure.


Again, Notre Dame's last 3 recruiting classes have been top10 classes. Their recruiting has improved since BK left, not taken a step back. They just finished 10-3, about the same as they would under BK.


Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 1/22/24 at 1:43 pm to
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Their last 3 classes have been top10 classes.

4 of their 5 classes before BK were top10 class.

The only 2 times they didn't bring in top10 classes consistently were the Willingham and BK years.


No doubt, we have roughly 23 years of recruiting data.

If we selectively remove roughly 15 years of it, Notre Dame had top 10 classes in some of those remaining years (based on which recruiting service you use).

Who can argue with that?


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They just finished 10-3, about the same as they would under BK.


BK didn't accumulate 3 losses in a single season his last 4 years at Notre Dame.

Freeman hasn't been able to get under 3 losses in his first 2 years.


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