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They're both guys with no SEC ties, their prior recruiting has been questioned, they're well respected coaches, a lot of staff continuity, and they've won everywhere they've been.

DeBoer played for a natty in his 2nd season at the P5 level and Kelly did in his 3rd, both were dominated.

The biggest difference in Kelly is 0-2 in playoff games and DeBoer is 1-0, but as we've said, Kelly ran into some elite teams where DeBoer had a perfect matchup for his team.

Kelly is 0-3 in post season championship play.

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Being a blue blood doesn't mean shite anymore. Notre Dame isn't a top 10 team in terms of talent, recruiting, facilities, or NIL resources. They aren't as financially committed to football as the actual elite programs, it's why they haven't won a major bowl game in 30 years.

Before Brian Kelly, ND recruited in the top5. #5 in 2007, #4 in 2008, down to #17 in 2009, the year BK came in and replaced the existing coach. I don't remember if BK wasn't able to retain the class or if it never got up due to coach being fired rumors though.

Under Brian Kelly, ND recruited in the 11-15 range.

Since BK, they have classes ranked 6th, 10th and 10th. So their recruiting was better before BK and has gotten better since he was replaced.

So I guess I just don't know what the hell you are talking about.

As far as the 30 years thing, BK was HC for 11 of those 30 years.

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Posted by SidewalkTiger

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Member since Dec 2019

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Posted on 1/21/24 at 4:31 pm to 3down10

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Kelly is 0-3 in post season championship play.

And your guy is 1-1.

They both faltered when running into elite teams.

Actually, they got their arse kicked.

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Since BK, they have classes ranked 6th, 10th and 10th. So their recruiting was better before BK and has gotten better since he was replaced.

So I guess I just don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Per the 247 Composite;

2023: #12
2024: Currently at #11