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re: Explain the Harsin comparisons to DeBoer with logic.

Posted on 1/20/24 at 11:26 am to
Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 1/20/24 at 11:26 am to
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causes me to reconsider.

DeBoer may be a great coach, but all we know for sure at this point is he’s a good coach who caught lightning in a bottle with a Heisman candidate at QB playing in a conference that was in the process of self-destructing.

and to emphatically state that he will “continue to be great” at Bama is wishcasting.

i feel like he’s a very good HC who came into a situation unlike any he’s ever imagined, without any clear plan for taking on the job, without the complete confidence of the people who hired him, and with the GOAT ex-HC keeping an eye on him from his “office in the stadium”.

no matter how lofty your expectations, that is in no way a recipe for success.

i guess time will tell.


Ok, do you think he will have better or worse talent while at Alabama? If he is able to do that much with less talent, why would anyone expect him to do worse with more talent?

I'm not a time traveler, so maybe he ends up sucking. But I certainly don't see anything that foreshadows it.

Having Saban on campus is a positive, not a negative. If it becomes a negative, Saban will leave on his own. He's not selfish like that.

I've been an Alabama fan for half a century. The expectations have never changed. I know what bad years look like, still the same expectation even if it's obviously far from reach.

And it can't be much worse than replacing Bear, or going through the early 2000's. The bigger worry is probably boosters being stupid again.



Posted by FearlessFreep
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Posted on 1/20/24 at 1:46 pm to
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Ok, do you think he will have better or worse talent while at Alabama? If he is able to do that much with less talent, why would anyone expect him to do worse with more talent?
because there simply isn’t enough data on which to base a firm conclusion.

the guy has done pretty well, but he’s 49 years old and has exactly 3 years coaching experience at the P5 level, and has never been at the same school through an entire 4-year recruiting cycle.

i feel fairly confident that, if i had asked you a year ago who you considered the top 10 HCs in CFB, he would not have been on your list. as such, you are basing your positive assessment on a single year’s performance. i’m sure Oregon fans were thrilled with Mark Helfrich after his second season as HC too.
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I'm not a time traveler, so maybe he ends up sucking. But I certainly don't see anything that foreshadows it
fair enough, but as you are well aware “sucking” at Bama has completely different implications. i would hazard a guess that if he goes 9-3 and misses the playoffs his first year the number of major contributors to Bama football calling for his head will be greater than zero.

and while there’s nothing to indicate that he’s will “suck” at Bama by any definition, neither is there any evidence that he can build and sustain a program to consistently compete for conference and national championships, because he’s never done so at a level that involves scholarshipped players.
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I've been an Alabama fan for half a century. The expectations have never changed. I know what bad years look like, still the same expectation even if it's obviously far from reach.
and those expectations have spelled disaster for other men who’ve held the job before - most of whom came in with far more major college experience than DeBoer.
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And it can't be much worse than replacing Bear, or going through the early 2000's. The bigger worry is probably boosters being stupid again.
and thats a significant worry, considering the massive expense they have taken on ($12 million buyout to UW + whatever terms promised to DeBoer to get him to jump ship), those boosters will have far less patience for even temporary mediocrity.

as i said, you seem to know a great deal about CFB HC quality. but i’m sure that your assessment of DeBoer’s suitability for the job is based in large part on unfounded optimism. we’ll see if it’s warranted soon enough.
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