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re: All this talk about how the 12-team playoff will fix everything...
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:41 am to TheTideMustRoll
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:41 am to TheTideMustRoll
The last thing anyone wants to "fix" is fans arguing.
That drives interest and revenue as much as anything.
That drives interest and revenue as much as anything.
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:41 am to WG_Dawg
bullshite. It’s a blue blood popularity contest now. Eye test, feels. The 12 team will require teams to win 3-4 games against quality competition.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:47 am to Farmer1906
quote:It is too many. 8 is the perfect number to include all deserving teams without devaluing the regular season schedule too much. If being undefeated automatically gets you in prepare for nothing but the creamiest of non-con cupcakes.
12 is probably too many, but its the system we have for now.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:47 am to WG_Dawg
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I mean it's simple math and common sense...with 4 teams in the playoffs you have a razor thin margin on how much you can lose in the regular season. With 12 teams you can lose and it not hurt you nearly as much
It is a volume issue. The Ole Miss vs A&M game would have been a huge game in relevance to a 12 team playoff. Louisville/UK would have been a huge game.
It allows a lot more teams a seat at the table and get to play it out on the field instead of just 4 teams and 95% of teams year is done by the middle of October.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:50 am to 49 to nada
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It is too many. 8 is the perfect number to include all deserving teams without devaluing the regular season schedule too much.
I actually like 12 more than 8 with the top 4 having to win their conference to get the bye. By doing that, it makes CCG's matter where otherwise they'd only be about seeding.
I personally wanted 6 with no CCG tie-ins. I'm against 8.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:50 am to Jack Daniel
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What is the purpose of the SEC championship game once the playoffs expand?
The same as it is now. To determine a conference champion. What if you have Alabama and Georgia go through the season undefeated?
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:53 am to StopRobot
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There isnt going to BE a PAC after this season
Lol. Yes there will be. They'll just fill in with Mountain West teams. Boise, UNLV, Fresno, Colorado State, San Diego State, etc. The PAC isn't going anywhere.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:58 am to BamaGradinTn
Sec champ loser won’t be penalized for losing a champ game . They will get in a 12 team playoff . The real problem is if the committee keeps respecting teams who play no one over teams who beat elite teams but slip up a 2-3 times vs elite to good teams . If they are going to do this crap where every 1 loss team is ahead of a 2 loss team who plays the best schedule in the country then we might as well go back to having four teams just play.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:59 am to jamespatterson
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With the expanded playoffs there is no purpose. It was believed that not having a playoff could get your conference left out of the BCS. Now all the conference championship does is affect seeding.
What? BCS ended more than a decade ago.
CFP rankings are, today, completely untethered from conference rankings or championship games.
In other words, nothing changes.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:04 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Imagine a Liberty, Tulane, or SMU in the playoffs and not even in the top 16 teams in the country.
What does that even mean, "top 16 teams"? According to whose opinion? Why even rely on opinions when you have a playoff? What other sport does that?
Here's the root of the problem, Liberty could very well go undefeated this season. If an FBS team does everything they're supposed to, and yet still cannot play for the national championship, why are they even in the league?
Tulane couldn't compete for it in 98, UCF couldn't compete for it in 2017, why do we still pretend they compete at the same level?
Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:24 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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What does that even mean, "top 16 teams"? According to whose opinion? Why even rely on opinions when you have a playoff? What other sport does that?
Yada, yada, yada. What do you think happens in college basketball? The exact same thing...just with more teams.
What's your alternative to having humans with opinions choose? If you say computers...those use formulas created by humans with opinions.
In the MLB, you used to have to win your division...the NL East and West, and the AL East and West. Everyone played everyone else in their own division the same number of times, and they played the teams in the other division the same number of times. Perfect.
But then they decided they wanted more teams. So wild cards were created.
Then more wildcards.
Why rely on opinions to decide to have wild cards? And then to add more wildcards?
Whose opinion was it that a 3rd place team in one division suddenly deserves to be in the playoffs when 20 years ago they didn't? Because that's just an opinion also.
The closest thing to what you would call perfect would be to have conference champions only and no wild cards. That's your perfect "playoff" model. If an 8-4 Iowa manages to beat an undefeated Michigan, they go, and Michigan stays home. Conference champions only...all of them...with no wild cards is the closest thing to a perfect "playoff" model. But no one wants that.
This post was edited on 11/28/23 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:33 pm to nicholastiger
do they change the way the teams are selected next year?
Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:41 pm to TheTideMustRoll
It has always needed to be 6 or 8 teams, and that is it. 4 teams with two byes, or 4 power 4 conference champs with 4 wildcards. We are just going to see a ton of rematches next year.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:47 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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If we had a 12-team playoff this year, it would be LSU, Ole Miss, and Missouri fans arguing back and forth about resume and head-to-head (I guess Missouri and Ole Miss already are, actually). The more things change, the more they will stay the same.
Lets look another angle. It will actually keep more teams and players (and fans) engaged longer in season. As is once you lose 1 game you are mostly out of playoffs or have to fight rest of year to not stumble.
And have 2 losses - the fans and players for sure know they’re out. If that happens in Oct then everyone followimg that 2 loss team has a decline in some ways. They have less to play for.
In new system 2 losses will not kill your chances. This will keep fans/boosters ($$$) invested longer. And players too. As long as a team has a chance to make playoffs everyone involved with that team is more engaged.
OU is 10-2 right now. Refs aided in 1 loss. But regardless the why, they have zero chance. All we have now is some bowl game in a month and watching to see who might hit the portal and who gets hired as OC. But if this was next year we’d be on the fringe of making playoffs. That keeps everyone engaged and helps the sport.
I think it will help the sport as more teams and their fanbases/players/coaches will stay engaged deeper in season.
Also to note. Both SEC and B10 will see their top teams have more losses than normal in reg season. Teams will play more tougher teams so you might see a 1 loss conf reg season winner, or possibly 2 losses. There will be more parity with the new teams being added, this means more/better games in-season.
This post was edited on 11/28/23 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:48 pm to TheTideMustRoll
College basketball still has people bitching nobody saying it’ll fix everything but it’ll be better than what we’ve had
Posted on 11/28/23 at 12:55 pm to DawginSC
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I personally wanted 6 with no CCG tie-ins.
Same.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 1:10 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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If we had a 12-team playoff this year, it would be LSU, Ole Miss, and Missouri fans arguing back and forth about resume and head-to-head (I guess Missouri and Ole Miss already are, actually). The more things change, the more they will stay the same.
It won't fix everything, but it will give programs confidence to schedule good teams OOC.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 1:18 pm to TheTideMustRoll
I've never seen a group of people who claim to love college football bitch and moan so much about getting more meaningful college football.
The way the rankings sit right now, Bama would play Penn State in Bryant-Denny in a first round playoff game. Are we really trying to pretend that would not be an awesome atmosphere and good for the sport?
The way the rankings sit right now, Bama would play Penn State in Bryant-Denny in a first round playoff game. Are we really trying to pretend that would not be an awesome atmosphere and good for the sport?
Posted on 11/28/23 at 1:20 pm to BamaGradinTn
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The closest thing to what you would call perfect would be to have conference champions only and no wild cards. That's your perfect "playoff" model.
That's exactly what I'm talking about. Drop the pretense that G5 schools are competing for the same championship, and then just have a tournament of champions for the P5 conference winners.
No polls. No byes. No wildcards. No excuses. Just champions.
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