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re: Non-LSU related, Georgia is having a very strange recruiting year

Posted on 8/15/23 at 9:39 am to
Posted by TrussvilleTide
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Posted on 8/15/23 at 9:39 am to
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The other thing to consider is how many 3-stars a team has.

While I'm not sure about your numbers, the fact is UGA only had 34 3-stars from 2016-2019 according to the 247 composite. Of those 34 players, 12 were drafted out of UGA and 3 more are still on UGA's roster this season.



I see this used as a point about UGA developing guys, but that kind of assumes rankings are perfect, or at least close, right? Which I feel as a board we have even recently established that they definitely aren't.

It would make more sense that they were just underrated to begin with, not that UGA took an actual 3 star caliber player and made him into a 4 or 5 star.

I'm not gonna go through that whole list you posted, but I know where Ladd is from and nobody is scouting guys in Murray County I'm picking on Ladd here because I have a lot of connections in that area, I actually like him a lot.

Also being around a bunch of studs can mask some deficiencies. Was 2022 Ladd really that good, or is the defense focused on AD Mitchell, the run game, and Bowers? I'm not saying anything either way, but its a decent question.

I'm firmly in the camp that college programs don't really develop guys that often or that much. Just the difference from working with a high school weightlifting coach to any D1 weightlifting coach can be massive for some guys and would have happened anywhere. Most of the Bama guys that went on to immediately have an impact in the NFL either had an impact immediately at Bama, or they at least flashed when given chances because they were behind locked in starters.
Posted by DawgsLife
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Posted on 8/15/23 at 12:10 pm to
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I see this used as a point about UGA developing guys, but that kind of assumes rankings are perfect, or at least close, right? Which I feel as a board we have even recently established that they definitely aren't.

I disagree. I mean, obviously they are not 100% accurate. Nothing is 100% accurate. But, if you see where recruiting classes finish up, they typically closely mirror the teams in the playoffs. I mean the last few years the top teams have been Alabama and Georgia and those are the teams that typically finish at or near the top of the playoffs.

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It would make more sense that they were just underrated to begin with, not that UGA took an actual 3 star caliber player and made him into a 4 or 5 star.


It's a point, but wouldn't it also be logical that there are a lot of 4* and 5* trated talents that are not?

I mean, it's not enough to sign highly rated classes. You would have to develop the talent, too.

I doubt IMG or any of the other top High Schools would do well against a top 25 college team, so players are definitely being developed. I doubt an All-Star team of nothing but 5* would do well in a game against a playoff team.

Everybody is making a lot of good points, but I think instead of digging in my heels I will say that to compete you must do a good job of signing top rated talent and then developing it.

There is, and always will be exceptions to the rule. (TCU and Cincinnati) but those exceptions got exposed in the playoffs.
Posted by DawginSC
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Posted on 8/18/23 at 2:07 pm to
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I see this used as a point about UGA developing guys, but that kind of assumes rankings are perfect, or at least close, right? Which I feel as a board we have even recently established that they definitely aren't.

It would make more sense that they were just underrated to begin with, not that UGA took an actual 3 star caliber player and made him into a 4 or 5 star.


It's either that UGA is very good at finding underrated players or very good at developing lower rated players. Either is a good thing for UGA.

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Also being around a bunch of studs can mask some deficiencies. Was 2022 Ladd really that good, or is the defense focused on AD Mitchell, the run game, and Bowers? I'm not saying anything either way, but its a decent question.


Bowers you could argue, but Mitchell wasn't a factor in 2022 due to injury. He had 9 catches in 2022, 5 in the first 2 games and 4 in the last 2. Ladd was the #1 WR for the entire season, #2 pass catching threat behind Bowers. The next closest WR had 300 fewer yards (Marcus Rosemy-Jacksaint)

Posted by DawgsLife
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Posted on 8/19/23 at 6:46 am to
No offense, but you can't argue that Georgia players succeed because they are playing around a bunch of studs and highly ranked players and then also argue that the rankings are not accurate.

Are the rankings 100% correct? No.

But what a lot of people forget is the highest ranked teams in college football typically have the highest ranked classes. I do believe that there are some ranking that are missed for various reasons. Maybe a kid comes from a small school and is overlooked. Maybe a kid does not go to a bunch of camps and is overlooked. Maybe a kid is just a slow developer.

But that is where coach evaluations come in. It's also important that the coaches have a good relationship with many smaller schools so that a High School coach will want to reach out and let them know they should take a look at a kid on their team. (That benefits everybody because colleges find low ranked studs, a kid that might get passed over is noticed, and the HS coach gets attention for developing and helping his kids) That's where Harsin at Auburn seemed to struggle according to Auburn fans. He alienated many HS coaches and did not like to recruit.

Another aspect is coaches can't get drawn in to the stars hype and find good fits for the team. Is a player selfish? Lazy? Character issues? Bad student?
Can the player be a leader? Hard worker? Somebody who encourages teammates? Helps teach other teammates? Accepts instruction? Accepts criticism? Is a self motivator?

It's tricky when you get 5* kids that might have some negative traits. Are they worth the trouble thy might create on the team?

This is something Saban has done so well over the years. It's probably the biggest takeaway Kirby took from working with Saban is my guess. Work ethic and how to identify good and bad traits.
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