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re: Texas A&M's anger over Texas & Oklahoma joining the SEC
Posted on 7/15/23 at 7:19 am to Monahans
Posted on 7/15/23 at 7:19 am to Monahans
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Texas fans like this too. If you're so butthurt you don’t even want to play your rival you're doing college football wrong.
I’ve heard, from a friend, that ou was the rival of Texas. aggy is the rival of LSU.
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Posted on 7/15/23 at 7:49 am to jcolding41
No problem with them being here. They would have had an easy path to the 12 team playoff in the big 12.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 8:01 am to Whentheleveebreaks
exactly. bring it. Makes fall saturdays even better! 
Posted on 7/15/23 at 8:03 am to jcolding41
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-Don't complain that this will be the "new Big 12". Texas won't run shite and you are at an even playing field with them. If you frick it up then that is on your own program.
-Stop with the "battered Aggie sybdrome". You are not a victim.
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Posted on 7/15/23 at 8:25 am to WhosYourDaddy
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No what y'all don't get is that for Texas entire history they've been asked to prop up every other institution in the state of Texas. The SWC was Texas, Rice, SMU, TCU, Baylor, Houston, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, and Arkansas. That is 8 out of 9 schools being from ONE state, ONE... 4 of those schools are private schools. That isn't sustainable and Arkansas saw that, had very little to do with Texas being some big bad bully. Big 12 was formed out of necessity between two conferences that didn't necessarily want to merge but also didn't really have much of an option. That proved to be true when by the late 2000s it became every man for themselves.
I’ve never heard the “Texas wants to control everything” debate from this angle, and you may have a point. Basically, you owned up to it and admitted Texas had to be the alpha in the house because they were the sole breadwinner for so long in a huge house full of orphans they adopted.
There is nothing in college football history quite like the imbalance of the old SWC. A one state plus Arkansas conference that politically forced a blue blood like Texas to prop up and subsidize virtually any Texas institution who had an alum in the legislature. Then when the imbalance got so absurd that a crash was inevitable, they merge with the Big 8 to save that conference, Nebraska couldn’t handle having to compromise on anything, and Texas got the blame.
This is the first time Texas has ever been in a conference that wouldn’t collapse or have to significantly alter their identity without them.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 8:50 am to jcolding41
texas fans make Oklahoma fans look like elite socialites
You are in for a treat
You are in for a treat
Posted on 7/15/23 at 9:19 am to MillerLiteTime
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Then when the imbalance got so absurd that a crash was inevitable, they merge with the Big 8 to save that conference, Nebraska couldn’t handle having to compromise on anything, and Texas got the blame.
Texas didn’t save the Big 8, which was doing just fine at the time. Texas and aggy were leaving the SWC because it wasn’t sustainable. UT maybe the PAC and aggy maybe to the SEC. The Big 8 was a regional lifeline to them. The Big 8 considered taking 8 from the SWC but the networks didn’t care about half the schools. Anyone would take UT and aggy. Big 8 told them to grab 2 other teams and bring them along. So, 8 from the Big 8 and 4 from the SWC. Texas and aggy didn’t need saving, they could find a home in any conference, but the Big 8 saving Texas is certainly closer to reality than Texas saving the Big 8.
NU compromised plenty. They were damaged by the Prop 48 rules and eventually felt marginalized by the power held south of them.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 9:23 am to MillerLiteTime
Nobody "destroyed the SWC".
Any moron with a room temperature IQ can look at the former SWC conference membership and see it was, structurally, a dead-man walking. It was the most structurally compromised conference in college football.
The SWC was going to implode, and its members would get scattered across other leagues one way or another.
What was the alternative? Were they all just supposed to sit around on their asses, take no action, and just wait for the inevitable collapse? Somebody had to pull the fire alarm.
Any moron with a room temperature IQ can look at the former SWC conference membership and see it was, structurally, a dead-man walking. It was the most structurally compromised conference in college football.
The SWC was going to implode, and its members would get scattered across other leagues one way or another.
What was the alternative? Were they all just supposed to sit around on their asses, take no action, and just wait for the inevitable collapse? Somebody had to pull the fire alarm.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 9:41 am to Boomer Sooner 1890
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NU compromised plenty. They were damaged by the Prop 48 rules and eventually felt marginalized by the power held south of them.
And let's not forget how many brutal losses NU took from whorn when NU was still the top dog power and texsa and OU were down. They were still an option football juggernaut and never understood how middling texsa could keep kicking over their sand castle because they had no history with them.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 10:32 am to BurntOrangeMan
Speak for yourself. You are long overdue on the arse kicking you let OU take for you in the 2013 Cotton Bowl. Unlike 2011, you’ll also have to leave your refs at home.
This post was edited on 7/15/23 at 10:34 am
Posted on 7/15/23 at 10:36 am to Boomer Sooner 1890
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Texas didn’t save the Big 8, which was doing just fine at the time. Texas and aggy were leaving the SWC because it wasn’t sustainable. UT maybe the PAC and aggy maybe to the SEC. The Big 8 was a regional lifeline to them. The Big 8 considered taking 8 from the SWC but the networks didn’t care about half the schools. Anyone would take UT and aggy. Big 8 told them to grab 2 other teams and bring them along. So, 8 from the Big 8 and 4 from the SWC. Texas and aggy didn’t need saving, they could find a home in any conference, but the Big 8 saving Texas is certainly closer to reality than Texas saving the Big 8. NU compromised plenty. They were damaged by the Prop 48 rules and eventually felt marginalized by the power held south of them.
This is correct. The biggest reason the Big 8 and SWC merged is because of the relationship between Texas and OU. The Big 8 was the much more stable conference but knew with the changing landscape of how college football was being distributed, they needed to add Texas.
Oklahoma was the only Big 8 school that had any history with Texas and vice versa. That became evident in the late 2000s when every school was looking out for their own best interest behind closed doors. LHN just became a convenient scapegoat for Colorado, A&M, and Nebraska to make decisions they had always wanted to make.
If Nebraska had the option to join the B1G in 96-97. They would have done so without hesitation. Prop 48 was much less a compromise and more so just common sense. It hurt Nebraska because Tom Osborne turned Nebraska into the Miami of the Midwest.
Although Nebraska didn’t choose to leave the conference solely because of on field performance, going 4-8 against OU and 1-9 against Texas starting with the inception of the Big 12 was certainly a nail in the coffin.
Deloss Dodds being a narcissistic prick certainly didn’t help anything either.
This post was edited on 7/15/23 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:30 am to WhosYourDaddy
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The SWC was Texas, Rice, SMU, TCU, Baylor, Houston, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, and Arkansas. That is 8 out of 9 schools being from ONE state,
We always heard that Arkansas got tired of having 8 out of 9 refs being from one state too.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:57 am to Boomer Sooner 1890
I have to disagree on the Big 8 not needing saving. In a new era of tv households dominating revenue, and recruiting becoming more regional, the Big 8 was in the least populated and least talented region of the country. It badly needed to tie itself to Texas tvs and recruiting.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 12:01 pm to MillerLiteTime
He's talking about the state of the BIG 8 at the time of expansion and he's correct. The BIG 8 was fine.
But long term you're absolutely right that the BIG 8 was a slower rolling version of the former SWC from a viability standpoint.
But long term you're absolutely right that the BIG 8 was a slower rolling version of the former SWC from a viability standpoint.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 12:14 pm to MosesRAB93
Sorta tired of hearing the same ol same o.
Just ready to start playing your sorry *sses again, along with all the other SEC teams. I started hating the Aggies many years ago. Gary Kubiak was your quarterback. That was a long dang time ago!
Just ready to start playing your sorry *sses again, along with all the other SEC teams. I started hating the Aggies many years ago. Gary Kubiak was your quarterback. That was a long dang time ago!
Posted on 7/15/23 at 12:17 pm to MosesRAB93
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Unlike 2011, you’ll also have to leave your refs at home.
Apparently I was speaking for you Mr. Victim.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 12:25 pm to MosesRAB93
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you’ll also have to leave your refs at home
You know that's not true.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 12:42 pm to NotImber
uh...Georgia op started this post.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 12:50 pm to jcolding41
It was dumb of the SEC to take a team from a state it was already in. A&M was right to be angry over this.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 12:57 pm to ucbearcats
SEC took A&M precisely because they wanted Texas. That plan was set in motion in the late 80s.
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