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re: Is there a consensus #2 football program in the SEC, historically?
Posted on 7/11/23 at 11:47 am to bamameister
Posted on 7/11/23 at 11:47 am to bamameister
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Nationally, Oklahoma can make the claim with NCs. But it would seem that SEC success has a lot to do with SEC championships as well.
Expansion has severely blemished conference championships and conference wins and losses as a valuable metric.
Are we going to pretend Ole Miss is a better program than Oklahoma until the Sooners finally win 5 SEC titles? Is Northwestern a stronger Big 10 program than USC?
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Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:50 pm to AUTiger789
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Are we going to pretend Ole Miss is a better program than Oklahoma until the Sooners finally win 5 SEC titles?
No, but Oklahoma needs to win the SEC once before they can be counted as a top program.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 1:52 pm to AUTiger789
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Expansion has severely blemished conference championships and conference wins and losses as a valuable metric.
Are we going to pretend Ole Miss is a better program than Oklahoma until the Sooners finally win 5 SEC titles? Is Northwestern a stronger Big 10 program than USC?
Conference championships matter when your conference is fricking good. Many of OU's conference championships only required a win over Nebraska. No small feat at certain points in history, for sure, but only rarely did OU's conference titles require them to win more than two games against very good teams.
Speaking of that, this is a good time to remind y'all that of 236 of OU's 934 wins, or 25%, come against three schools with losing records: Iowa State, Kansas State, and Kansas.
This does not detract from many of OU's impressive football accomplishments. Their resume speaks impressively for itself.
This post was edited on 7/11/23 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 7/11/23 at 3:00 pm to AUTiger789
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Are we going to pretend Ole Miss is a better program than Oklahoma until the Sooners finally win 5 SEC titles? Is Northwestern a stronger Big 10 program than USC?
Arkansas could prove its football prowess these last 30 years without bringing SoutWest conference championships with them. So can Oklahoma. But neither will ever be spoken of in the same breath as historically great SEC teams.
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