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Offensive vs Defensive "Minded" head coach
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:03 pm
Since coaching vacancies are already open and more are expected (Hi Auburn!), curious what the rant thinks about offensive vs defensive "minded" head coaches. We all know the offensive "geniuses" get all the press, but how often do they deliver the results? Some quick notes and data on offensive vs defensive head coaches in the CFP & BCS eras:
-- In the CFP era, head coaches with a defensive background have won 62% of that Natty's
-- In the BCS era, head coaches with an offensive background won 56% of the Nattys. IMO, I think this shows the flaw where the computers gave too much credit for margin of victory in the early years of BCS.
-- In both era's combined, offensive head coaches that directly ran the offense (called plays) only won the natty 8% of the time for a total 2 total times. Urban did it at OSU and Jimbo did it FSU. Edited: Urban didn't call plays at UF.
Seems to me that the formula for success is a defensive minded or CEO type Head coach with a really good offensive coordinator. Trying to find the next Urban has mostly yielded disappointing results for those in search of Nattys.
Thoughts?
-- In the CFP era, head coaches with a defensive background have won 62% of that Natty's
-- In the BCS era, head coaches with an offensive background won 56% of the Nattys. IMO, I think this shows the flaw where the computers gave too much credit for margin of victory in the early years of BCS.
-- In both era's combined, offensive head coaches that directly ran the offense (called plays) only won the natty 8% of the time for a total 2 total times. Urban did it at OSU and Jimbo did it FSU. Edited: Urban didn't call plays at UF.
Seems to me that the formula for success is a defensive minded or CEO type Head coach with a really good offensive coordinator. Trying to find the next Urban has mostly yielded disappointing results for those in search of Nattys.
Thoughts?
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 2:52 pm
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:07 pm to Devil03Dawg07
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Seems to me that the formula for success is a defensive minded or CEO type Head coach with a really good offensive coordinator.
Or vice versa. I think most national champions are great on both sides of the ball.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:10 pm to Devil03Dawg07
What you really should want is someone who knows both sides of the ball, ideally someone who knows the most important aspect of the game on both sides outside of QB play: the lines.
Take Sam Pittman for example. He was an All American defensive end in college and became one of the best offensive line coaches in America.
Take Sam Pittman for example. He was an All American defensive end in college and became one of the best offensive line coaches in America.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:23 pm to Devil03Dawg07
What about guys like Brian Kelly who started as softball coaches?
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:32 pm to Devil03Dawg07
Still believe defense is the way to go, but the offensive guys definitely make things more fun to watch. Both Bama & UGA typically have great offenses, but HCs that are defense centric.
The game became more offensive focused and Saban recognized the balance had to change. Bama shifted gears, went away from game manager QBs, and started putting up massive yards/ points.
The game became more offensive focused and Saban recognized the balance had to change. Bama shifted gears, went away from game manager QBs, and started putting up massive yards/ points.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 2:39 pm to Devil03Dawg07
Only the top schools are able to get the talent necessary on defense for them to be led by their defense at a championship level. So it’s not surprising it skews towards that.
However, I also think defenses have adjusted somewhat to the RPO/recent offensive innovations.
However, I also think defenses have adjusted somewhat to the RPO/recent offensive innovations.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 2:40 pm to Devil03Dawg07
Wait, where are you getting that Urban called the plays at UF?
Posted on 9/20/22 at 3:12 pm to Devil03Dawg07
OU has had both with stoops, Riley, and now Venables. I’ll take stoops and Venables with a competent OC any day over the charmin soft Riley teams. If you watch USC right now they look like cookie cutter OU teams from 2015-2021, a defense usually out of position and open running lanes, with receivers running behind the DBs. Lucky for them they haven’t played a single decent QB yet. Watching OU play elite defense again is a far better feeling. OU is such a good example because the teams are highly talented, and they have had elite teams throughout BCS and playoff eras but have lost due to lack of a defensive culture specifically.
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 9/20/22 at 3:39 pm to Devil03Dawg07
Defensive minded coaches will have more conservative teams and manage risk better than offensive minded ones.
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