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re: Give an honest assessment of your team going into the season
Posted on 8/23/22 at 1:00 pm to theliontamer
Posted on 8/23/22 at 1:00 pm to theliontamer
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The defensive line is loaded with future 1st rounders
This is what passes for "realistic' down here..."multiple DL first round draft picks?" really? any idea how many teams in CFB history sported "Mutiple first round DL draft picks" on the same team? Heck, why not say the "LSU DL will have four first team all-Americans who will be first round draft picks, lock, and that all will be perennial all-pros."
Im not saying the LSU DL will not be good, it might even be very good (the superlatives for the DL are coming mostly from group-think LSU fans on Tr, not national evaluations). But, it is not realistic to start talking this "multiple first round" non-sense. Point is, it is hard to get purple and gold glasses off this insular, isolated fan base in order to get any realistic look at the upcoming team.
So I'll give my usual negative biased evaluation (i'm also always negative about Alabama for what it's worth). It is hard to judge a completely new team in every respect. I don't ever remember a team more absolutely rebuilt, in the 60-70 years I've been concious about SEC football except maybe when Bryant came to Alabama. I mean rebuilt all the way down to the secretaries, nutrient staff, janitors, not to mention having to collect such a huge number of players and coaches from the wilds.
Given the complete unknown, I think LSU will be overmatched in about four games in conference, and will be 50-50 in the other four. If LSU wins one of the overmatch games and split the 50-50s, result could be 6-6 to 7-5 year depending on the bounce of the ball and the result of the FSU game... and that will be a good result for a first year. Remember Saban's first year at Alabama and Bryant's first year too.
Remember we are talking "realistic.." are we not?
This post was edited on 8/23/22 at 1:08 pm
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Posted on 8/23/22 at 3:21 pm to Jacknola
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This is what passes for "realistic' down here..."multiple DL first round draft picks?" really? any idea how many teams in CFB history sported "Mutiple first round DL draft picks" on the same team? Heck, why not say the "LSU DL will have four first team all-Americans who will be first round draft picks, lock, and that all will be perennial all-pros."
Im not saying the LSU DL will not be good, it might even be very good (the superlatives for the DL are coming mostly from group-think LSU fans on Tr, not national evaluations). But, it is not realistic to start talking this "multiple first round" non-sense. Point is, it is hard to get purple and gold glasses off this insular, isolated fan base in order to get any realistic look at the upcoming team.
So I'll give my usual negative biased evaluation (i'm also always negative about Alabama for what it's worth). It is hard to judge a completely new team in every respect. I don't ever remember a team more absolutely rebuilt, in the 60-70 years I've been concious about SEC football except maybe when Bryant came to Alabama. I mean rebuilt all the way down to the secretaries, nutrient staff, janitors, not to mention having to collect such a huge number of players and coaches from the wilds.
Given the complete unknown, I think LSU will be overmatched in about four games in conference, and will be 50-50 in the other four. If LSU wins one of the overmatch games and split the 50-50s, result could be 6-6 to 7-5 year depending on the bounce of the ball and the result of the FSU game... and that will be a good result for a first year. Remember Saban's first year at Alabama and Bryant's first year too.
Remember we are talking "realistic.." are we not?
Geez who pissed in your cheerios. I guess bama fans are now melting when they dont win a natty.
Your screeching response sounds like a woman complaining about equality.
Multiple first round draft picks on a DL, i dunno it's probably happened a decent amount of times in all of CFB history and most of those teams were probably pretty darn good. Dumb gump didnt see it on espn therefore it must not be true. These guys are monsters and you will hear more about them as the season progresses.
PFF seems to think highly of these two:
15. DI JAQUELIN ROY, LSU (JUNIOR)
37. EDGE B.J. OJULARI, LSU (JUNIOR) - sorry not 1st round but high second round
Ali gaye - 2nd team all sec in 2020, injured last year, back to form for 2022 and on preseason all sec list
Maason Smith only a sophomore PROJECTION First Round on 247sports
looks like some "national evaluations" are actually pretty high on these guys.
A rebuild doesn't necessarily have to start with a bad season. Urban Meyer took a 6-7 Ohio State team to 12-0 in his first year, and that was with a post season ban in place. So ok, Nick Saban lost 7 games his first season, cool. Irrelevant. Gump can only understand things in terms of nick saban history.
The complete unknown is actually good for LSUs situation, given the state and culture of the program from the previous 2 seasons. I'm saying it likely can't be worse than that.
The original post said nothing about "realistic", the word was honest and said to give an assessment of your team. Not surprised the gump cant read. And yes, this is an honest assessment, and it is spot on. It is very simple to draw a conclusion that this LSU team will be improved.
I can see your knowledge of sec football is very simple and revolves solely around espn pre season rankings. Go Tigers.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:31 pm to Jacknola
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This is what passes for "realistic' down here..."multiple DL first round draft picks?" really? any idea how many teams in CFB history sported "Mutiple first round DL draft picks" on the same team?
I mean it is not probable, but it is definitely realistic to say we have more than one first round pick from the D-line going into 2022.
I would say with Ojulari it is more likely than not that he is going in the first round. Maason Smith has two more years left, and is probably the best defensive player on the team at this point, so time will tell but he is off to a great start. Roy has a decent shot while Gaye is a much more of a longshot at this time. Bottom line, this is by far the best front four LSU has had in 15 years.
The problem is, there is a whole of average/question marks in the back seven. In fact, the linebackers and secondary might be our worst group in 15 years.
Again, both statements are realistic.
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Heck, why not say the "LSU DL will have four first team all-Americans who will be first round draft picks, lock, and that all will be perennial all-pros."
Because that would be stupid and very unrealistic.
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It is hard to judge a completely new team in every respect. I don't ever remember a team more absolutely rebuilt, in the 60-70 years I've been concious about SEC football except maybe when Bryant came to Alabama. I mean rebuilt all the way down to the secretaries, nutrient staff, janitors, not to mention having to collect such a huge number of players and coaches from the wilds.
Well said, and I could not agree more. I would add that it would be hard to find a better fit than Brian Kelly to take on this challenge. Hell, long term, who knows how well he will do here, but I do believe he is the right man for what we face going into 2022.
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If LSU wins one of the overmatch games and split the 50-50s, result could be 6-6 to 7-5 year depending on the bounce of the ball and the result of the FSU game
I agree, that is a realistic assessment. I would say 7-5 to 8-4, but that is more about the competition than our play.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:53 pm to Jacknola
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This is what passes for "realistic' down here..."multiple DL first round draft picks?" really? any idea how many teams in CFB history sported "Mutiple first round DL draft picks" on the same team? Heck, why not say the "LSU DL will have four first team all-Americans who will be first round draft picks, lock, and that all will be perennial all-pros."
Im not saying the LSU DL will not be good, it might even be very good (the superlatives for the DL are coming mostly from group-think LSU fans on Tr, not national evaluations).
There's actually plenty of national speculation about our defensive front.
As for how many teams in CFB history sported "Mutiple first round DL draft picks", I don't know but I believe LSU has done it twice in the last 15 or so years. It's not like we don't know what talented defensive linemen look like even if we aren't Alabamer.
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