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SEC coach flame outs
Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:25 am
Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:25 am
Why is it some of the best SEC coaches of all time (Meyer, Saban, Spurrier) weren’t good enough to succeed at the highest level of football? Is it because they needed a huge talent advantage over their opponents? Not enough work ethic? Couldn’t boss around men like they can kids?
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Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:30 am to Mulkey Man
Saban was fine in the NFL. Maybe below average but not bad.
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Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:30 am to Mulkey Man
NFL is just different, you have to come through the nfl ranks in 99% of cases or have something that is revolutionary like the west coast offense or air raid. Otherwise teams will quickly catch up to you.
Same can be said the other way, veen a few successful nfl guys coach collegw but short of Pete Carroll it is rare.
Same can be said the other way, veen a few successful nfl guys coach collegw but short of Pete Carroll it is rare.
Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:33 am to Mulkey Man
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Why is it some of the best SEC coaches of all time (Meyer, Saban, Spurrier) weren’t good enough to succeed at the highest level of football?
I'd guess that how you tell 18-22 year olds with very little money in their pockets what to do is a little different than how you tell 23-30 year old multi-millionaires with more money than you what to do.
As I've always heard said - college players play for the coach. Pro coaches coach for the players.
Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:40 am to Mulkey Man
Saban has been very frank on the topic. He claims it dawned on him how much the NFL had changed since his time with the Browns in the 90s with the impact of free agency, infiltration and effect of media, and the inability to control his own destiny and establish a program due to a variety of factors.
Still, he took a really bad team and went 9-7 the first year. Had he stayed beyond the 6 win set back year in year 2 or returned later, he may very well have been able to gain more control and set more of the culture he likes within the program. NfL HCs now are getting a lot more control of football operations, which is the point that frustrated him the most.
Still, he took a really bad team and went 9-7 the first year. Had he stayed beyond the 6 win set back year in year 2 or returned later, he may very well have been able to gain more control and set more of the culture he likes within the program. NfL HCs now are getting a lot more control of football operations, which is the point that frustrated him the most.
Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:48 am to Veeger
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the Dolphins got worse under Sabana
Yet, the majority of fans here in Miami still feel jilted.
Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:49 am to Mulkey Man
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Why is it some of the best SEC coaches of all time (Meyer, Saban, Spurrier) weren’t good enough to succeed at the highest level of football? Is it because they needed a huge talent advantage over their opponents? Not enough work ethic? Couldn’t boss around men like they can kids?
For starters, you're required to cook the meal without being allowed to buy the groceries.
And anyone who has been following NFL football for longer than 6 weeks understand that.
Now, that having been said, Spurrier and Meyer's failure was more because of personality issues, not football coaching issues. Meyer's specifically were because of how he treated people. Saban...we'll never know how successful he ultimately would have been, but it would have been foolish to bet against him.
Other college coaches have been hugely successful...Switzer, Johnson, Carroll. "SEC" isn't relevant to the discussion.
Or do you think Switzer, Johnson, and Carroll wouldn't have been successful in the SEC?
Lovie Smith coached in two NFC Championship Games and a Super Bowl...and he was a fricking joke as a college coach. How do you explain that?
Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:50 am to Che Boludo
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Had he stayed beyond the 6 win set back year in year 2
Had he stayed any longer, Zach Thomas may have whipped his arse.
Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:52 am to Veeger
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9-7 first year
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Hell, the Dolphins got worse under Saban.
They were 4-12 the year before.
I had heard that there were people as fricking stupid as you on this board, but I hadn't yet seen them in action firsthand. So thanks for that, I guess.
This post was edited on 12/19/21 at 10:57 am
Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:53 am to Veeger
You're almost too stupid to breathe.
Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:55 am to Mulkey Man
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Had he stayed beyond the 6 win set back year in year 2
Had he stayed any longer, Zach Thomas may have whipped his arse.
I'm pretty sure Jason Taylor wouldn't have allowed that. Taylor is on record as saying Saban transformed his career at Miami and likely wouldn't have become an NFL Hall of Famer if not for Saban.
Posted on 12/19/21 at 10:56 am to Mulkey Man
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Had he stayed any longer, Zach Thomas may have whipped his arse.
Some people don't like being told the truth. Thomas seemed to be one of them.
Culpepper was the one who had to be physically restrained from Saban.
Again, more control to keep those egos in check is required to ensure good order and discipline.
I'm sure Saban learned a great deal from the failed experience, as well. And, I couldn't be happier that it all blew up I'm MIA for him
Posted on 12/19/21 at 11:03 am to BamaGradinTn
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Switzer
Troy, Emmitt, and Michael won the 1995 Super Bowl DESPITE Switzer, not because of Switzer. That was still Jimmy's team.
Posted on 12/19/21 at 11:05 am to Mulkey Man
The dolphins were a basket case and CNS brought them respectability.. problem was too many chiefs and not enough Indians..... we don't want D. Brees. We like the Cunningham ham kid! I want D. Brees, he's damaged goods. He passed his physical. Barely! Well, regardless we want to go with Cunningham as our franchise qb..
CNS..........................................................I'm not going to be the coach at Bama!....................................................M.Moore..." you'll call all the shots and have complete autonomy!"...............................................Jimmy Sexton.."well coach, they're willing to pay what you're making here with incentives that can really drive up your earnings!"................................................"I want to thank y'all for being so kind to me and Mrs. Terry and all the Sabans. We look forward to building the kind of program here that most of you are used to being around.. I want to thank M. Moore for graciously waiting on me to make a decision to come to Alabama!"........... the rest is history!
CNS..........................................................I'm not going to be the coach at Bama!....................................................M.Moore..." you'll call all the shots and have complete autonomy!"...............................................Jimmy Sexton.."well coach, they're willing to pay what you're making here with incentives that can really drive up your earnings!"................................................"I want to thank y'all for being so kind to me and Mrs. Terry and all the Sabans. We look forward to building the kind of program here that most of you are used to being around.. I want to thank M. Moore for graciously waiting on me to make a decision to come to Alabama!"........... the rest is history!
Posted on 12/19/21 at 11:10 am to Hang10
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We like the Cunningham ham kid! ... Well, regardless we want to go with Cunningham as our franchise qb..
Cunningham was nearly 50 at the time. But, that would have been a surprise move
Posted on 12/19/21 at 11:12 am to Mulkey Man
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MetryMauler’s alter
^^^ this boomer thinks his transparent trolls are clever^^^
Posted on 12/19/21 at 11:18 am to cajunbama
MetryMauler still in your head, TexAg7? Looks like that account has been inactive for years. Must have really done a number on you.
Posted on 12/19/21 at 11:19 am to Tantal
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Troy, Emmitt, and Michael won the 1995 Super Bowl DESPITE Switzer, not because of Switzer. That was still Jimmy's team.
This is such a lame excuse.. Switzer could have lost with that team just as he won with it.
Posted on 12/19/21 at 11:21 am to Mulkey Man
Had Drew Brees come to MIA, Saban may still be in the NFL as the HC or possibly now the GM at MIA.
Posted on 12/19/21 at 11:25 am to samson73103
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Troy, Emmitt, and Michael won the 1995 Super Bowl DESPITE Switzer, not because of Switzer. That was still Jimmy's team.
This is such a lame excuse. Switzer could have lost with that team just as he won with it.
Switzer's first year they lost in the AFC Championship. His second year they won the Super Bowl. So even though Johnson won the SB his last year, the Cowboys still improved from year 1 to year 2 under Switzer.
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