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Two Deep Safety's - Just Run the Ball
Posted on 9/30/15 at 12:05 am
Posted on 9/30/15 at 12:05 am
When the defense is in two deep safety positions we need to just run the ball. We have to be able to run at will when the defense is playing only 6 or 7 in box. Our best drive was when we stayed with the run and avoided stupid penalties. We need new run block scheme when they play 4-2 or 4-3 against us. Otherwise, develop intermediate passing game. Also, QB has to run more when we pass. The QB draw will work if we're not on the freaking goal line.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 6:41 am to AUX3
As long as we stay out of 2nd and 14 yes running against two deep should work.
Also, let White keep the ball some on the read. He may not break a long run, but he is athletic enough to get 5 yards.
Also, let White keep the ball some on the read. He may not break a long run, but he is athletic enough to get 5 yards.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 7:37 am to AUX3
If your OP is in response or coordination to what Cole Cubelic has observed, running the ball was *an* option to what MSU was doing, but not the *best* option.
Cubelic said his film study showed that MSU was using two deep safeties on top of bringing up their corners to counter the jet sweep and run blitzing to stop the interior run. In other words, the intermediate pass over the middle was open for almost all of the game.
Yet we never adjusted to it. Why? Because Gus was afraid to ask White to do it? Didn't trust him?
Gus needs to learn to trust his players more. HE is their coach, so supposedly they're being taught to compete at a high level, right? Why doesn't he trust them?
Throw them out there and trust them to do the right thing, dammit. Will that always work out? No, of course not. That's why you have to have depth at positions for Next Guy Up.
Stop being afraid, dammit, Gus. White wasn't afraid out there. Why in the eff were YOU?
Cubelic said his film study showed that MSU was using two deep safeties on top of bringing up their corners to counter the jet sweep and run blitzing to stop the interior run. In other words, the intermediate pass over the middle was open for almost all of the game.
Yet we never adjusted to it. Why? Because Gus was afraid to ask White to do it? Didn't trust him?
Gus needs to learn to trust his players more. HE is their coach, so supposedly they're being taught to compete at a high level, right? Why doesn't he trust them?
Throw them out there and trust them to do the right thing, dammit. Will that always work out? No, of course not. That's why you have to have depth at positions for Next Guy Up.
Stop being afraid, dammit, Gus. White wasn't afraid out there. Why in the eff were YOU?
Posted on 9/30/15 at 9:53 am to TheSandman
Gus isn't afraid he's just stubborn and he thinks his running game will work no matter what. He'll beat it to death before trys to loosen up the defense with some passes.
He's always been that way. He will run zone dive 2 or 3 times in a row until he gets a few yards off it. I think his ego wants to show the other HC that we can run on them even with 10 in the box
He's always been that way. He will run zone dive 2 or 3 times in a row until he gets a few yards off it. I think his ego wants to show the other HC that we can run on them even with 10 in the box
Posted on 9/30/15 at 10:04 am to AUtigR24
He will have to change at some point to compete or we will just keep beating who were suppose to and losing to who were suppose to.
Take Ole Miss or TamU into BDS or Tiger Stadium and they have a much better shot at winning with their offense.
Take Ole Miss or TamU into BDS or Tiger Stadium and they have a much better shot at winning with their offense.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 10:08 am to beatbammer
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In other words, the intermediate pass over the middle was open for almost all of the game. Yet we never adjusted to it. Why? Because Gus was afraid to ask White to do it? Didn't trust him?
Or maybe because we don't have an intermediate passing game. The original Gus offense runs the ball outside + inside so that a team either moves the LBs to the edges & S into run support or they roll safeties to perimeter run defense + LB for 7 in the box. This opens up the downfield over the middle post pattern
When a team can stop our run game and keep 2 deep safeties, we are effectively done on offense. Most teams only have success on this by blitzing off the edge and hoping they can stop the ball carrier or QB before play develops (The Jeremy Pruitt GusBus roadblock)
The natural reaction to intermediate passing I would imagine be something like an inverted cover2 robber type scheme. Still though, there is no way the FS can effectively cover slants.
TL;DR
Teams have clearly started to realize that they can blitz off the edge and stop our run game. By stopping our run game, we don't draw their safeties in opening up the deep pass.
Starting the game throwing intermediate passes is a fools errand as it essentially negates any "priming" of the defense. Unfortunately, Gus/Rhett haven't shown willingness to adapt to in game conditions by throwing intermediate passes since they always are trying to condition defenses to the future play
This post was edited on 9/30/15 at 10:11 am
Posted on 9/30/15 at 11:19 am to GenesChin
In there defense, I think they have shown a little adaptation to the edge blitz in the last game by doing a PA and slipping a back out into the flat. worked great with KJ. So, that was at least something
Posted on 9/30/15 at 11:43 am to GoCrazyAuburn
Baby steps lol. We've been asking to throw it to the rbs for 3 years now
Posted on 9/30/15 at 12:04 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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I think they have shown a little adaptation to the edge blitz in the last game by doing a PA and slipping a back out into the flat.
That isn't a longterm fix since they blitz 2 extra defenders whose responsibility are QB/RB. The guy who is on the RB can read screen pass or just hit the RB.
The two real solutions are quick slants out of the slots and designed QB draws. If you run the read option, it develops too slow and the QB will get eaten alive.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 12:08 pm to GenesChin
It's good to know that between here and AUFamily, we have enough coaches to handle this football team should the need arise.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 12:24 pm to Aubie Spr96
I don't have the answers Everyone innovative offense eventually deals with a reaction/adaptation from the defense to defend against it.
Just pointing out that we appear to be in a schematic pickle. Does Gus think an offense that executes well can overcome the adaptation or will he have to react & adapt to counter back?
Just pointing out that we appear to be in a schematic pickle. Does Gus think an offense that executes well can overcome the adaptation or will he have to react & adapt to counter back?
Posted on 9/30/15 at 12:46 pm to Aubie Spr96
I'm kinda just glad we're actually talking about football tbh.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 12:58 pm to Aubie Spr96
quote:Except OP.
It's good to know that between here and AUFamily, we have enough coaches to handle this football team should the need arise.
Teams are playing percentages against us because we are so awfully predictable.
When we are in a standard down we run the ball. The LBs run blitz, the corners look for sweeps, and the safeties are the main responsibility for the passing plays.
When we are in a passing down we throw the ball. LBs drop in coverage (may send a delayed blitz), corners & safeties play like their assignments.
It's not rocket science. And "run the ball" makes it seem as if OP hasn't watched an Auburn game all year. We run the ball 60% of the time.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 1:02 pm to AUX3
Can anyone change "Bert" to "Gus"?
Posted on 9/30/15 at 1:19 pm to BoCam2
This post was edited on 9/30/15 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 9/30/15 at 5:23 pm to BoCam2
Thanks man. In a perfect word you wouldn't need to, but I doubt that will be the case unless he can get it together.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 11:19 pm to LuckyInKentucky
Good discussion
Things I agree with...
Pass to backs work
Zone read to slow to develop
QB has to keep more
Gus has to quit fearing the pick, but who can blame him
We are a power run team and we need to stay ahead of the chains but its what the defense is forcing us to do. Can't be afraid to throw deep on 3 and 2. Somebody has to make a play after a decent play is called??
Things I agree with...
Pass to backs work
Zone read to slow to develop
QB has to keep more
Gus has to quit fearing the pick, but who can blame him
We are a power run team and we need to stay ahead of the chains but its what the defense is forcing us to do. Can't be afraid to throw deep on 3 and 2. Somebody has to make a play after a decent play is called??
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