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New OC & DC after first year; embarrassing loss to mid major; .500 regular season; and…
Posted on 1/9/24 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 1/9/24 at 5:14 pm
… a stellar recruiting class.
Is that Auburn 2023 or Alabama 2007?
I’m not saying we’re headed to Bama dynasty territory, but I was certainly assuaged a bit realizing Saban had some similar issues his first year.
Is that Auburn 2023 or Alabama 2007?
I’m not saying we’re headed to Bama dynasty territory, but I was certainly assuaged a bit realizing Saban had some similar issues his first year.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 5:39 pm to StringedInstruments
That's a leap! I like the way you think
Posted on 1/9/24 at 5:47 pm to StringedInstruments
I like the positivity, but every loss that Alabama team had was by 7 or less. They were right there with every single team they played. We had some very lopsided losses, which leads me to believe we’re closer to being 8-4 or 9-3 next season instead of 12-0.
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Posted on 1/9/24 at 6:16 pm to StringedInstruments
These comparisons need to end. It’s such a dumb take.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 6:19 pm to StringedInstruments
Nick Saban is a one of a kind type talent. Hugh Freeze is just a good recruiter who is a decent coach. Very different.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 7:51 pm to StringedInstruments
It’s not an ideal scenario and I don’t think anyone would argue it is. Much rather make the change now than in a year or two.
We tried something and it didn’t work. High wanted coordinators that could really take the load gameplan wise so he could recruit. Neither of them were huge in recruiting this year. It should have been a good trade off. It just so happens that neither of them worked out. Robert’s was serviceable as a coach in his role. Just clear he absolutely did not fit in culture wise and seems to be a dick.
We tried something and it didn’t work. High wanted coordinators that could really take the load gameplan wise so he could recruit. Neither of them were huge in recruiting this year. It should have been a good trade off. It just so happens that neither of them worked out. Robert’s was serviceable as a coach in his role. Just clear he absolutely did not fit in culture wise and seems to be a dick.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 7:57 pm to kung fu kenny
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Nick Saban is a one of a kind type talent.
Go back and look at Saban’s career prior to uat. He won a natty in 2003, but otherwise he averaged 4-5 losses a year.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:21 pm to bawbarn
quote:Its really not a dumb take. Kirby had a terrible first season. Saban had a terrible first season. Most rebuilds do. Auburn is no different with Freeze.
These comparisons need to end. It’s such a dumb take.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 9:17 pm to StringedInstruments
Let's be realistic. Auburn football was circling the bowl in late October of 2022. A couple of years of almost no recruiting set the program back and created a talent deficit (aka Potato Famine). Recovering from that is going to take a couple of years. Good recruiting is the first step and I think we are doing well on that front. The next step is to hire two good coordinators and get try to get coaching on the same trajectory as recruiting.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 8:17 am to bawbarn
quote:The one thing I'll say here is that when a team is going to improve from one head coach to the next i.e. have a big turnaround, you see a marked jump in recruiting year 1-2 from the previous staff.
These comparisons need to end. It’s such a dumb take.
This Auburn team has that which is encouraging.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 8:48 am to ALhunter
I don't think it is a good idea to compare Hugh Freeze and this Auburn team to Nick Saban and Alabama. And we are not in a position to go 12-0 next year. But there are plenty of examples of coaches starting off their first year with a below average season and working up from there, and the level of recruiting from this year is a huge step in the right direction.
Hugh Freeze won 7, 8, 9, and then 10 games his first 4 seasons at Ole Miss. Mike Norvell won 3, 5, 10, and then 13 games his first 4 seasons at FSU. Lane Kiffen also had a below .500 season his first year at Ole Miss. Eliah Drinkwitz took until his fourth season. Now most of those guys aren't even recruiting at high level, and maybe Drinkwitz is a one hit wonder this year, but most of them hit the portal hard and it took them a few years to get the right pieces in places.
All of that to say there is good reason to have patience with a coach that is recruiting at a high level and has proven he can win at his other stops. We have to keep the momentum going in 2024 though and win at least 8 games in my opinion. Getting the coordinators correct though is a big deal, especially on the defensive side of the ball. We need to find some stability there.
Hugh Freeze won 7, 8, 9, and then 10 games his first 4 seasons at Ole Miss. Mike Norvell won 3, 5, 10, and then 13 games his first 4 seasons at FSU. Lane Kiffen also had a below .500 season his first year at Ole Miss. Eliah Drinkwitz took until his fourth season. Now most of those guys aren't even recruiting at high level, and maybe Drinkwitz is a one hit wonder this year, but most of them hit the portal hard and it took them a few years to get the right pieces in places.
All of that to say there is good reason to have patience with a coach that is recruiting at a high level and has proven he can win at his other stops. We have to keep the momentum going in 2024 though and win at least 8 games in my opinion. Getting the coordinators correct though is a big deal, especially on the defensive side of the ball. We need to find some stability there.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 8:53 am to ATLtiger12
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We have to keep the momentum going in 2024 though and win at least 8 games in my opinion.
8 wins will require a lot of portal wins at next window. We may have even more holes in our roster next year and the schedule gets harder.
I'm glad to hear Freeze is getting involved on the field. His constant polite blaming of players and staff this past season isn't going to fly long-term.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 10:09 am to bawbarn
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These comparisons need to end. It’s such a dumb take.
It's a fine "there is some hope guys" take
But when it leaves out the reality that for every 10 examples of this 8-9 end pretty badly and one ends up roses, it's silly
Posted on 1/10/24 at 11:07 am to StringedInstruments
I understand the need for hope, but anyone seeing this comparison is crazy.
Freeze is not a NC winning coach coming into the program who has been there and done that.
Saban is a one off guy who clearly has things figured out from top to bottom and Freeze at this point... is not
Freeze is not a NC winning coach coming into the program who has been there and done that.
Saban is a one off guy who clearly has things figured out from top to bottom and Freeze at this point... is not
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