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Factors playing into a potential coaching change.

Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:11 am
Posted by Vyceron
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:11 am
1. Other SEC schools will be competing for coaching candidates.
- Arkansas will probably fire Bert.
- Tennessee may fire Butch this Sunday after they get crushed for the 11th straight time by Bama.
- Ole Miss is giving Matt Luke a test run, but may not stick with him.
- Missouri...who knows. That whole situation is a dumpster fire.

2. The AD situation is a mess. JJ may or may not be gone before the football season ends. Any prospective coach would be wary of coming in and then having the AD replaced.

3. The new early signing period is from December 20th through the 22nd. If we fire Gus after the IB, on November 26 or so, that would leave less than 1 month to shuffle the coaching staff and have them try to salvage existing recruits, flip other teams' recruits, and seal the deal for undecideds that want to sign early.

4. Existing defensive staff has been excellent. If we change head coaches, does the new guy keep Kevin Steele and his staff around? Even the best defensive players take time to re-learn new systems and terminologies. A 2018 redshirted senior defensive player would have 4 DCs.
Posted by AuburnCPA
Member since May 2008
18821 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:16 am to
we will keep Gus and continue to lay eggs.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79117 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:17 am to
All those things are true and make things uncertain for the change.

But one thing we know for sure:

Gus will not change. He may beat Arkansas and TAMU easily. He may miraculously beat UGA or Alabama (not likely).

But no matter what, whether it is 3 weeks from now or next season, we will be in a big game with a chance to win and he'll frick it up. I don't mean make a questionable play call in a big moment. I mean he'll be the guy who stands between the team and winning a big game. Guaranteed.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
48894 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:22 am to
quote:

But no matter what, whether it is 3 weeks from now or next season, we will be in a big game with a chance to win and he'll frick it up. I don't mean make a questionable play call in a big moment. I mean he'll be the guy who stands between the team and winning a big game. Guaranteed.



And it's not even necessarily us losing the game, but HOW we lose the game

we show no signs of improvement or hope
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:24 am to
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37706 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:28 am to
quote:

- Arkansas will probably fire Bert.
- Tennessee may fire Butch this Sunday after they get crushed for the 11th straight time by Bama.
- Ole Miss is giving Matt Luke a test run, but may not stick with him.
- Missouri...who knows. That whole situation is a dumpster fire.



Only one of those schools is a real threat to a potential Auburn coaching search
Posted by Rhino5
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2014
28897 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:32 am to
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The AD situation is a mess. JJ may or may not be gone before the football season ends. Any prospective coach would be wary of coming in and then having the AD replaced.

I'm hopeful calls have been made to prospective new AD's by now. Jacobs handed President Leath a shite sandwich.
Posted by AubieG
Nawf GA
Member since Aug 2013
1179 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:34 am to
Jay Jacobs and that gosh dang scoreboard.


Tennessee will be competition, but if anyone has close to a screwed up AD as us it is UTk.

We need to get rid of Jacobs before we get rid of Gus. Get Jacobs replacement in place and let him make the hire.
Posted by jvilletiger25
jacksonville, fl
Member since Jan 2014
16992 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:37 am to
quote:

Factors playing into a potential coaching change


1. We stop shitting the bed against our biggest rivals
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17275 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:39 am to
1. We are paying Gustav $600k more per season than Arky and UTee, and at least $2 million more than Ole Miss or Mizzou. Maybe those teams will try to outspend us, maybe not.

2. Which is why we should have done something about JJ when the softball stuff first broke. This may be the most problematic factor, as I would think any HC worth his salt would consider that kind of instability as a negative.

3. I don't think we should take this into serious consideration when deciding on the long-term fate of the program.

4. That would be for a new HC to decide.
Posted by autodd03
Clown world
Member since Dec 2013
2532 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:21 pm to
Auburn would be the top job open. A prospective coach would inherit a top ten roster. This is very attractive to most established coaches.

The AD is a major issue. If he isn't gone by the bye week, we have big problems. I'd like to see Damon Evans brought in. He could do no wrong at uga until he had the slip up with the panties. He knows the south and the SEC but also does NOT have built in ties to the existing GoB network at auburn. If his wife can forgive him, it shouldn't be an issue with employment.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
18330 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:51 pm to
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Only one of those schools is a real threat to a potential Auburn coaching search



And even then, no. Tennessee might have a bit more history, but they have been absolutely trash for a decade. They are a dumpster fire that is going to require a tremendous amount of work that might not even bring enough positive change to warrant keeping the coach.

Auburn has played for two national championships in the last 7 years and has 2 conference championships. Everyone with half a football brain can see that Auburn has a wealth of talent right now and the only thing holding us back from being the 2nd or 3rd best team in the SEC is game planning and 2nd half adjustments.

Maybe Knoxville is a bigger city and is closer to the mountains, but I don't see how they offer anything close to what Auburn can offer a hot coach right now.
Posted by rootisback
Member since Mar 2014
3371 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 2:23 pm to
I know everyone wants the hottest new superstar young coach -- but if we are honest, most fail.
For your consideration if Gus loses at Arky or aTm:

We need to have a plan in place with a coach who can start recruiting immediately because of the early signing period. Fire Gus after the loss and hire LES MILES --- We don't even have to pay him a big salary because LSU is still paying him. Don't tell me that he wouldn't like a chance to wreak havoc in the SEC one more time. He is a great recruiter and face for a program. Can probably keep most of the Defensive staff. We can let Garner or Steele be interim and let Les start working on keeping the Dec signees and recruiting.
I just think he could be a stabilizing, respected, NC coach who can get things back on track and be here a few years while we plan succession.
With all the teams that are going to be looking for a HC this year -- not a good time to go after the hottest new thing
Posted by CaptainBrannigan
Good Ole Rocky Top Tennessee
Member since Jan 2010
21644 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 2:26 pm to
quote:

Other SEC schools will be competing for coaching candidates.


So we are the best open job and have the most talent. Not an issue

quote:

The AD situation is a mess


Meh. We needed a "search committee" to find Gus with Jacobs anyways. Honestly anyone could do today job. Not an issue


quote:

The new early signing period is from December 20th through the 22nd


Not like we have some can't miss prospects. If they don't sign in December, they cam wait until feb.

quote:

Existing defensive staff has been excellent.


That is up to the new coach. But it is the auburn thing to do to suggest keeping certain coaches
Posted by AuburnTigers
Member since Aug 2013
6935 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 2:31 pm to
quote:

Only one of those schools is a real threat to a potential Auburn coaching search
Tenn isnt even a better option at this point.
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
10925 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 3:29 pm to
some good stuff in there 'rootisback'

Before early signing is key. There's no way an intelligent recruit doesn't see him gone come next year (at best). And if not who wants the truly dumb. Plus there's no way most other schools are not saying he's a goner.
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 3:31 pm
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37706 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 3:36 pm to
quote:


Maybe Knoxville is a bigger city and is closer to the mountains, but I don't see how they offer anything close to what Auburn can offer a hot coach right now.


Even if Auburn edges out Tennessee it isn't by some clear cut step above amount

I would think most coaches would choose Auburn, but the positions are close enough that it isn't unthinkable that TN beat us out for a coach who'd prefer Knoxville
Posted by AUjim
America
Member since Dec 2012
3662 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 3:48 pm to
Salary won't make one bit of a difference, at least not to the head coach. These guys are already F-you rich.

Budgets for assistant salaries probably would.
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17275 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 4:31 pm to
quote:

Budgets for assistant salaries probably would.
As of 2016, our assistants were making $4.8 million combined. Pretty sure they're over $5 mil now.

They'll be okay.
Posted by AUjim
America
Member since Dec 2012
3662 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 6:57 pm to
Oh absolutely. I’m talking about a prospective new coach knowing money is not going to be a factor in being able to get the assistants he wants.
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