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re: Daymeune Craig let go at LSU

Posted on 2/2/17 at 8:43 pm to
Posted by bawbarn
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 2/2/17 at 8:43 pm to
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Kodi is such a great guy that he somehow managed to visit highschools and turned their coaches off immediately. He's the worst recruiter on the staff right now, which is shocking to me.


Can we hear more about this?
Posted by BoddaBoom7
Oxford, AL
Member since Jul 2016
957 posts
Posted on 2/2/17 at 9:44 pm to
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Kodi is such a great guy that he somehow managed to visit highschools and turned their coaches off immediately.

What? Did that really happen? And do you have any examples as to what he did to turn guys off?

Honestly haven't heard this and sould like to know what happened.
This post was edited on 2/2/17 at 9:45 pm
Posted by Zeroforwinger
Member since Jan 2015
1432 posts
Posted on 2/2/17 at 9:57 pm to
Alternative facts...
Posted by TigerProwl24
Gulf Coast
Member since May 2015
3975 posts
Posted on 2/2/17 at 10:15 pm to
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The bottom line is that we need a major upgrade at WR coach.


You can't be serious..
Posted by TheJones
Member since Nov 2009
33344 posts
Posted on 2/2/17 at 11:34 pm to
Not sure what we need or not but this thread is the most Aubie board thread ever.

Why do we need an upgrade at WR coach?

You guys act like Kodi is in charge of explaining advanced mathematics to our receivers. They run about 5 routes total. His job is to make sure they're lining up onside. I'm betting he's doing okay at that
Posted by AUtigerNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2011
17107 posts
Posted on 2/3/17 at 3:14 am to


This thread has been glorious to read. Thank you everyone
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36524 posts
Posted on 2/3/17 at 4:52 am to
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They run about 5 routes total. His job is to make sure they're lining up onside. I'm betting he's doing okay at that

They do more work than a GA but I get what you are saying. Like I said, recruiting and mentoring is the name of the game. Those things DC can do very well.
Posted by AuSteeler
montgomery. AL
Member since Jan 2015
2989 posts
Posted on 2/3/17 at 8:36 am to
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They do more work than a GA but I get what you are saying. Like I said, recruiting and mentoring is the name of the game. Those things DC can do very well.


I agree. But i still don't get the reasoning for doing a direct comparison from KB to DC?

first DC has 10 years of experience in direct coaching and recruiting in college. KB, what now has 2-3?

KB played in a GM offense which we all know didn't use the WRs much in complex pass patterns, so how much was he taught the WR position in his short time as WR?

I can see if those that know inside if he is struggling in recruiting, but his on field coaching I would never compare to DC.

And that is on the HC to know he's getting what he wants from his WR coach and his recruiting ability.

Let's see how KB does this year in recruiting since we will need more quality WRs and how the current ones play on the field in now a more passing complex system with CL as OC.

But to totally compare both these coaches at this time in their career is not right or legit to me.
Posted by Warfarer
Dothan, AL
Member since May 2010
12128 posts
Posted on 2/3/17 at 8:47 am to
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Let's see how KB does this year in recruiting since we will need more quality WRs and how the current ones play on the field in now a more passing complex system with CL as OC.



I think a lot of people are forgetting that we had 4 legitimately excellent freshman this past year in Davis, Meyer, Stove and Slayton. It would be tough to bring in more top talent to line up behind those guys for a hand full of passes and a bunch of outside blocking. If we show a solid passing game this season, let's take a look at how Burns does bringing in a couple more guys that are top of the board guys.
Posted by AUtigR24
Happy Hour
Member since Apr 2011
19755 posts
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:12 am to
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Nick Saban doesn't give a frick who he hires, so long as they're a good coach. See, Steve Sark, Jeremy Pruitt and Lane Kiffin. A cocky douchebag, a druggie and a dirty arse recruiter and prick. Meanwhile, Auburn goes from Dameyune Craig to Kodi Burns.


Amen brother,

And people wonder why we get our asses beat by UGA / Bama.

Look at their staffs compared to our high school staff
Posted by AUtigR24
Happy Hour
Member since Apr 2011
19755 posts
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:13 am to
I knew Kodi didn't have any balls when he let Malzahn play Hastings. DC wouldn't have let that shite happen.

That's why he got let go
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37706 posts
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:17 am to
I think this thread can end on the idea that we haven't had a WR coach who has shown the ability develop WRs at a high level under Malzahn.


At least DC could recruit at a much higher level from the start to end of his career
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
3599 posts
Posted on 2/3/17 at 11:15 am to
Don't be surprised if Horton leaves and Kodi Burns moves down to RB coach, which should tell you all you need to know about how much of a "better coach" he is than Craig...
This post was edited on 2/3/17 at 11:18 am
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37706 posts
Posted on 2/3/17 at 11:22 am to
Being a RB coach is a bigger deal than WR coach so not sure why that is a knock on Kodi


My major point wasn't as much about KB but D.C. Being a shite developer. There isn't much out there to suggest the difference between KB/DC in development is real like Jang argued

I'd prefer D.C. Over KB in terms of the combo of recruiting /development though
This post was edited on 2/3/17 at 11:25 am
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37706 posts
Posted on 2/3/17 at 11:26 am to
I'll add this, I think Horton is about as good a RB coach as one can be. If he leaves, we are Almost for sure going to be downgrading
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
3599 posts
Posted on 2/3/17 at 11:37 am to
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Being a RB coach is a bigger deal than WR coach so not sure why that is a knock on Kodi



Uhh, no its not. There is FAR more technique in WR coaching than there is in RB coaching. RB is a natural position: the guys who are good are going to be good regardless of what you tell them (or don't tell them). Its not like LSU's RB coach teaches Fournette to spin away from one tackle, run another guy over, and then outrun the rest of the defense.

RB is the easiest position to coach; which is why that was Kodi Burns' spot on Arizona State's staff.
This post was edited on 2/3/17 at 11:38 am
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36524 posts
Posted on 2/3/17 at 11:50 am to
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There isn't much out there to suggest the difference between KB/DC in development is real like Jang argued

Didn't say that the difference was huge. I even said I didn't know how to compare to Burns because he has done nothing at this point.

I did say that DC still exceeds KB in coaching while also being 10 times the recruiter.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37706 posts
Posted on 2/3/17 at 12:12 pm to
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There is FAR more technique in WR coaching. RB is a natural position


Running with the ball is natural, playing the position of RB is not for most kids. RBs often come into D1 with limited to no understanding of pass protection, OL scheme/blocking and then how it relates to defensive movement/anticipating blocks


WRs have a lot of technique to learn to develop in route running etc, but playing the position in the offense is a lot more "natural" and less complicated.


For the record, I don't see any reason to believe either Kodi/DC have the background to develop WRs to be good route runners
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