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Coach John Ray on AU vs. LSU

Posted on 9/27/16 at 6:31 am
Posted by beatbammer
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 6:31 am
https://www.aufamily.com/forums/topic/152991-things-i-think-i-saw-au-vs-lsu/

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Things I Think I Saw: Auburn vs LSU….

These are a few of the things I *think* I saw when watching the game. I haven’t gone back and watched it again, or even watched certain plays a second time. That means I may very well have seen some things wrong, and likely did, so if you saw it differently, that’s fine.

I was expecting a very physical game, and that’s pretty much what we got. Neither team is finely tuned and polished, especially the offenses. But the players and coaches for both teams wanted the game badly, and the effort that was shown on both sides is proof of that. Both defenses are pretty salty, especially this early in the season, when almost all players are available at or near full strength.

The most obvious problem Auburn had in this game (other than dealing with Leonard Fournette, of course) was red zone offense. I don’t have access to an Auburn playbook, but I thought some blocking assignments were missed, both in the red zone and outside it. To get physically whipped by an opponent is understandable, and in this league, it is going to happen. But the first key to successful execution of a play is every player knowing his assignment beyond question.

There were times when a back was assigned to help the offensive guard and tackle on pass protection, especially when there were three defenders vs those two blockers. Sometimes the back blocked one of the three, and other times he flared around the outside rusher and set up as a receiver. I saw that scheme twice against Arden Key. Both times the back flared outside Key; once Sean White was sacked, and once he got the throw off to the back for a good gain. The reason I mention this is that Austin Golson would typically be blamed for the sack by Key, but in this instance, he was occupied with a different defender.

There were a handful of times when only one Auburn defensive player had a chance to make a tackle and prevent a huge LSU play. Every one of those times, that last defender made the play. Sometimes it was not a pretty tackle, but the job got done. It takes great effort to make those plays, or to even have a chance of making it. Tray Matthews had a couple of those, Rudy Ford had at least a couple, and T.J. Neal had one. Every time a player is able to make one of those key plays, he is encouraged to give the effort to make one again the next time it presents itself.

I thought the officiating crew was unusually weak. They missed numerous holding calls, called Auburn defensive linemen twice for offsides when they were back out of the neutral zone before the snap, and allowed LSU to run plays without wide receivers being set before the snap. I don’t like to complain about officials in a loss, but in a win, they’re fair game IMO.

I thought overall, Sean White played well. He missed a couple of deep throws, but was under pressure at the time.

Tony Stevens dropped a couple of passes that would have made Auburn’s red zone offense look a lot better.

Kerryon Johnson matured a bit during the first half of the game. He was quite a bit more of a “man” in the second half. On the subject of KJ, I hope AU will use some reserve backs more in this week’s game vs LaMo. I’m a little concerned about the wear and tear KJ and Bubba are absorbing, and would love to see them get some rest when possible.

Robert Leff continues to improve, in both run blocking and pass protection. He’s not real pretty doing it, but he gets after people and is steadily becoming more effective.

Marlon Davidson is a highly-developed defensive lineman for a true freshman. He’s got great body position, good use of his hands, proper pursuit angles, etc. Either he was extremely well coached in high school, or he’s a really fast learner, cause he’s way ahead of the learning curve.

Saw Byron Cowart read down with the offensive tackle on a play, and do it really well. He’s not as quick as most of us hoped, but he’s coming along now. I won’t be surprised if he ends up moving to DT this spring.

Terrific play by the safeties and the nickel this week. Tray Matthews and Rudy Ford atoned for their missed opportunities last year vs LSU. Nick Ruffin made some plays as well.

Lining up Mon Adams at nose paid off big-time for Kevin Steele and Rodney Garner. The LSU center, at 6-7, 305, is expected to be a high draft pick, and Adams absolutely took his lunch like the school bully. Adams was a major factor in disrupting LSU’s inside running game.

Didn’t try to watch him a lot individually, but I thought Dontavious Russell played his best game of the season. There was an Andrew Williams sighting as well, as he made a play inside. The quality of our DL is pulling those younger guys up, which is a great thing.

Was surprised there wasn’t a drop-off in the defensive performance following the Tre Williams ejection. DeShaun Davis came up big again. His physical, attacking style of play is fun to watch and I believe helps set the tone for our defense. Darrell Williams is making the occasional rookie mistake, but he’s playing very well and looks like a future leader of the defense.

Chandler Cox appears to be struggling with the “block in space” assignment that’s such a key part of Malzahn’s offense with the H-back. For those that have done it, there’s kind of an “art” to blocking in space, where you run hard to get there, but then have to come under control as you arrive at the target, and then explode into the block. Chandler seems to be still running wide open when he throws his block, and missing more than he hits. I hope he gets it soon, as that is a critical part of the Malzahn offense that we are sorely missing right now.

Ryan Davis seems to be moving into a more involved role with the offense. He has good hands, but is definitely not the ideal size. He had a reputation as a big-play guy in high school down here in Tampa Bay, and I’m expecting him to shake loose and take a short pass all the way at some point.

Darius Slayton keeps catching my eye as a blocking wide receiver, and not in a good way. He does seem to be trying, but either misses or gets man-handled often.

Hope I don’t jinx him, but Marcus Davis looks very confident and comfortable handling punts. So far, he’s shown good judgment back there.

Darius James, the 330-lb transfer offensive lineman from Texas, got some playing time this week on running plays. I mostly liked what I saw from him. Big, powerful guy.

With Louisiana Monroe coming up, it’s time now for Auburn to focus on Auburn. What needs to be changed? What’s working, what’s not, and what needs to be kept or discarded.? What are we doing that helps our opponents anticipate our play? Lots to be done, and this is a good time to start tweaking.
Posted by TigerPaw1
Chattanooga, TN
Member since Apr 2011
16979 posts
Posted on 9/27/16 at 6:43 am to
Good post

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Marlon Davidson is a highly-developed defensive lineman for a true freshman. He’s got great body position, good use of his hands, proper pursuit angles, etc. Either he was extremely well coached in high school, or he’s a really fast learner, cause he’s way ahead of the learning curve.


You can see why Bama fought so hard for this kid. I suspect he will move to a 3 tech DT at some point and he seems to already have an array of moves to rush the passer & get off blocks. Been very impressed with him.

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Saw Byron Cowart read down with the offensive tackle on a play, and do it really well. He’s not as quick as most of us hoped, but he’s coming along now. I won’t be surprised if he ends up moving to DT this spring.


Here's the thing with Byron. He is a good DE but he came in with the hype of #1 player & hasn't been a superstar so everyone thinks he sucks. He doesn't suck but hasn't lived up to the hype. I think moving inside is possible for his future as well

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Darius James, the 330-lb transfer offensive lineman from Texas, got some playing time this week on running plays. I mostly liked what I saw from him. Big, powerful guy.


Our best drive was when we went unbalanced line & brought James in on the backside. I think he starts at one of those tackles spots next season
Posted by Fear The Thumb
Coastal, AL
Member since Nov 2012
3368 posts
Posted on 9/27/16 at 7:09 am to
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Lining up Mon Adams at nose paid off big-time for Kevin Steele and Rodney Garner. The LSU center, at 6-7, 305, is expected to be a high draft pick, and Adams absolutely took his lunch like the school bully. Adams was a major factor in disrupting LSU’s inside running game.


Posted by OlGrandad
Member since Oct 2009
3482 posts
Posted on 9/27/16 at 7:48 am to
I would have to watch a replay 20 times with a stop, rewind go slo mo and still would not be able to see what he saw watching once.

I now realize I would not be a very good coach.
Posted by Sigma
Fairhope, AL
Member since Dec 2005
3643 posts
Posted on 9/27/16 at 12:00 pm to
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I’m a little concerned about the wear and tear KJ and Bubba are absorbing, and would love to see them get some rest when possible.


Saturday should be the Malik Miller and Kam Martin show.
Posted by JRoweMDN
Florida
Member since Jan 2016
703 posts
Posted on 9/27/16 at 12:52 pm to
That is a nice write up. I hope to see Miller, Martin, Craig-Meyers and all the other young guys out there getting reps with SW in a very balanced maybe even pass heavy attack. And they need to make Cox play until he pukes or learns to block. Seeing new blood in the OL early would not hurt my feelings either as long as they protect White. If the first half is going well then get JF3 out there for some passing plays with young OL guys.
Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
38004 posts
Posted on 9/27/16 at 4:36 pm to
Was it my imagination or did I see #1 lining up at DE in some sets on Saturday night?

Maybe a special heavy run-set for LF?
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34863 posts
Posted on 9/27/16 at 4:54 pm to
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Was it my imagination or did I see #1 lining up at DE in some sets on Saturday night?


He did, but a lot of the time it was a stunt where he came back inside.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37706 posts
Posted on 9/27/16 at 5:04 pm to
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He did, but a lot of the time it was a stunt where he came back inside.



Not all the time though. Monty's sack vs TAMU came on a standard outside edge rush


We have rotated the DEs to DT and DTs to DE on almost all 3rd and long passing plays. One analyst was pointing out some adv like Lawson vs OG on pass rush, speed in the running lanes and collapsing pockets from DT vs OT
This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 5:05 pm
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34863 posts
Posted on 9/27/16 at 5:08 pm to
True, but specifically talking about Saturday, I don't know if I saw him edge rush when he lined up outside. I saw it happen early on and kept watching for it, and he looked to stunt in with the DE lined up inside going around the edge. Now, I'm sure he did rush the edge some, he just primarily stunted in.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 5:15 pm to
Wouldn't be surprised if it has to do with the mobility of the QB

If you are afraid of a QB seeing a lane between OG/OT on 3rd down, would make sense to have a DE instead of a DT on the inside if that makes sense.

Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36253 posts
Posted on 9/27/16 at 5:23 pm to
Who is Coaxh John Ray?
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
28280 posts
Posted on 9/27/16 at 5:31 pm to
Thanks for that. Good read.
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
16991 posts
Posted on 9/27/16 at 5:36 pm to
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Who is Coaxh John Ray?


John was a freshman football player at Auburn when his coach was the Auburn / Georgia man, Vince Dooley;

John served honorably as a Marine in the Vietnam War;

John was also a legendary high school football coach at Largo H.S. in central Florida;

In terms of football IQ, there are very few Auburn football observers who follow the Tigers and the Southeastern Conference closely enough and can convey what’s going on to a fan of any level, as well as JR does.
Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
38004 posts
Posted on 9/27/16 at 5:51 pm to
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In terms of football IQ, there are very few Auburn football observers who follow the Tigers and the Southeastern Conference closely enough and can convey what’s going on to a fan of any level, as well as JR does.


I was on The Bunker with JR back in the 90's and he was dishing his knowledge to us even back in the early years of Tiny Tot.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36253 posts
Posted on 9/27/16 at 6:28 pm to
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John was a freshman football player at Auburn when his coach was the Auburn / Georgia man, Vince Dooley; John served honorably as a Marine in the Vietnam War; John was also a legendary high school football coach at Largo H.S. in central Florida; In terms of football IQ, there are very few Auburn football observers who follow the Tigers and the Southeastern Conference closely enough and can convey what’s going on to a fan of any level, as well as JR does.

Sounds good. Surely I'm not the only one who didn't know who he was.
This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 6:29 pm
Posted by TigerPaw1
Chattanooga, TN
Member since Apr 2011
16979 posts
Posted on 9/27/16 at 8:31 pm to
quote:

Was it my imagination or did I see #1 lining up at DE in some sets on Saturday night?

Maybe a special heavy run-set for LF?


It's one of our pass rushing packages. We line Holland & Lawson up inside then put Adams & Davidson on the outside. It's had some good success. I know sometimes it's frustrating that we recruit lots of hybrid DL but we are seeing it pay off this year. When LSU went 22 personnel we showed a 3-4 look where Russell would slide to a DE spot, Adams at the nose, Davidson at the other DE & Lawson standing up as an outside backer. We have truly been multiple this year with our fronts & part of that is guys like Davidson, Adams & Russell can play a wide range of positions
Posted by TailbackU
ATL
Member since Oct 2005
11077 posts
Posted on 9/27/16 at 9:27 pm to
Really good stuff. Thanks for posting.
Posted by Rhymenoceros
Atlanta, Georgia
Member since Nov 2012
4181 posts
Posted on 9/27/16 at 10:05 pm to
quote:


Sounds good. Surely I'm not the only one who didn't know who he was.


He's got a weekly podcast on the War Eagle
sports radio app with another guy, Doug Dean. Dean is more of an uber fan with some humor but they put together a pretty good show that's actually become my favorite on the line up. They will bring in some other high school/former college coaches and players to help break things down. A lot more Xs and Os than most talk shows but is really interesting and enjoyable.
Posted by CleCoTiger
The Earth
Member since Oct 2010
72 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:56 am to
I was also on The Bunker wayyyy back with JR. And anyone that remembers those days knows why my avatar is an Ox even though my forum handle these days is CleCoTiger. (But y'all just call me Ox!)
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