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re: Chizik and Van Gorder disagree
Posted on 9/11/12 at 11:46 pm to AUTiger5
Posted on 9/11/12 at 11:46 pm to AUTiger5
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If this is the case, BVG needs to re-evaluate the CBs that we have committed now. If Kamryn Melton and Jahmere Irvin-Sills aren't showing signs of being able to play the style of secondary plays BVG wants, we need to cut them loose.
Pretty sure BVG scouted that beforehand.
This post was edited on 9/11/12 at 11:47 pm
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Posted on 9/12/12 at 12:14 am to BUCKMSTR7399
quote:Errr what?
The 4-3 is designed for the LB's to make play
Posted on 9/12/12 at 12:34 am to blzr
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If this is the case, BVG needs to re-evaluate the CBs that we have committed now. If Kamryn Melton and Jahmere Irvin-Sills aren't showing signs of being able to play the style of secondary plays BVG wants, we need to cut them loose.
They are both CB's BVG hand picked
Posted on 9/12/12 at 12:41 am to WarCamEagle
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They are both CB's BVG hand picked
K. Just makin' sure. Don't wanna come back to this board in 2 years and see BVG still talking about how he doesn't have the personnel to run press coverage.
No, I'm serious.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 12:48 am to AUTiger5
If he does complain and you bitch at him, he may just beat you with his stache and make you like it.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 6:08 am to joeyb147
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Errr what?
Errr what, what?
The 4-3 centers around the MLB. The front 7 relies on the Mike LB making plays, and being the "quarterback" of the defense. Weak LB play is the reason we have DB's leading the team in tackles. I don't see the unreasonableness of this post.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 8:22 am to blzr
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Kamryn Melton and Jahmere Irvin-Sills
I believe both are very physical and like to play close to the WR. I'm not as sure about Melton, but I know Sills is on the short side but appears to be very good in man and has shown he isn't afraid to blow a WR off their route.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 8:51 am to BUCKMSTR7399
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The 4-3 centers around the MLB. The front 7 relies on the Mike LB making plays, and being the "quarterback" of the defense. Weak LB play is the reason we have DB's leading the team in tackles
The 4-3 is garbage without a front 4 that makes plays. No matter how good your MLB is. Think about every good Auburn defense the last decade. Everyone had a the MINIMUM a pass-rush specialist at DE,a DT that was great against the run, and a DT that could penetrate and make plays in the backfield. And spare me this "quarterback of defense" bullshite. Has nothing to do with what you said.
Weak & inconsistent DL is why we have DBs leading the team in tackles. I'd love to have a Josh Thompson type player back on the team.
This post was edited on 9/12/12 at 9:04 am
Posted on 9/12/12 at 9:06 am to joeyb147
No, he's right. MLB in the 4-3 is the QB for that scheme. He has to make the correct reads for Pass/run, and get the D in the correct position.
ETA:
The DL does need to play better. They need to disrupt the running lanes like BVG said in the article.
ETA:
The DL does need to play better. They need to disrupt the running lanes like BVG said in the article.
This post was edited on 9/12/12 at 9:11 am
Posted on 9/12/12 at 9:07 am to joeyb147
yeah our dt's are terrible so far that's why were last place in rushing D. It all starts up front in the 4-3 if the d-line could get some push get a hand on the rb make him change direction or slow them down it would make life a lot easier on the lb's.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 9:14 am to AUtigR24
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yeah our dt's are terrible so far that's why were last place in rushing D
Why do they suck so much?
Arent most of them 4stars? Its like these guys dont know how to get off blocks fast and have the mean streak in them. Soft arse DTs we have..Posted on 9/12/12 at 9:19 am to AUtigerNOLA
THey look soft, and just stand straight up into blocks, can't shed blocks. I will say that I've seen some bright spots from Blackson on 2 or 3 plays. Craig Sanders is usueless at DE they may as well let him stand up and play some type hybrid DE / LB.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 9:26 am to AUCE05
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No, he's right. MLB in the 4-3 is the QB for that scheme. He has to make the correct reads for Pass/run, and get the D in the correct position.
That's not what he originally said and not what I responded to.
He said...
quote:If it's designed for the LBs to make plays, then why aren't we just running a 3-4? That's designed for LBs to make plays. Seems to be a hell-of-a-lot more effective in that regard.
The 4-3 is designed for the LB's to make play
This post was edited on 9/12/12 at 9:27 am
Posted on 9/12/12 at 5:17 pm to BUCKMSTR7399
I really hope Gene is looking him self in the mirror and examining some of his philosophy. I hope he is open to change, because he needs to do something to shake up the current mentality of the defense. If the players are seeing that it's not working and they are being forced to continue the same way regardless, then eventually they will start to tune him out. I hate to compare the 2 but Saban uses every means necessary to motivate his team, even if it's through the media. I just don't see a lot of this from Gene. He seems to always be very vanilla and even keeled.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 5:37 pm to joeyb147
The 4-3 is designed for the LB's to control the run game, and make a majority of the tackles. It's a fact. Prove me wrong, and I'll admit I was wrong.
LINK
: All three linebackers in a 4-3 scheme are going to be accountable to make a bevy of tackles, meaning the first trait to be observed in an outside linebacker is his ability to wrap, fit and drive through tackles. An average or even slightly unreliable tackler is not a good thing for a defense, and linebackers must be dependable on an every-down basis.
Imperative traits for a 4-3 inside linebacker start with football intelligence, communication skills and tackling ability. A middle linebacker must be entirely in tune with the defensive calls, understand the scheme around him, and be able to dissect the offense’s plan as it evolves.
He also must be able to communicate, and not just the defensive call in the huddle. He must be active during the pre-snap shuffling that often takes place in the NFL, and be able to identify what the offense is showing him and what it might mean as it relates to a play call. A middle linebacker will help to identify the side of strength in the offensive formation, and will be in part responsible to communicate defensive checks (this is a collective effort as well).
A middle linebacker will find himself largely involved with the bulk of the plays that he is in for; that means an ability to tackle is paramount. We’ve stressed the importance of tackling throughout our linebacker portion of the scouting series, and it most certainly applies to middle linebackers. They must wrap-up, drive, and power through every tackle opportunity they receive.
LINK
: All three linebackers in a 4-3 scheme are going to be accountable to make a bevy of tackles, meaning the first trait to be observed in an outside linebacker is his ability to wrap, fit and drive through tackles. An average or even slightly unreliable tackler is not a good thing for a defense, and linebackers must be dependable on an every-down basis.
Imperative traits for a 4-3 inside linebacker start with football intelligence, communication skills and tackling ability. A middle linebacker must be entirely in tune with the defensive calls, understand the scheme around him, and be able to dissect the offense’s plan as it evolves.
He also must be able to communicate, and not just the defensive call in the huddle. He must be active during the pre-snap shuffling that often takes place in the NFL, and be able to identify what the offense is showing him and what it might mean as it relates to a play call. A middle linebacker will help to identify the side of strength in the offensive formation, and will be in part responsible to communicate defensive checks (this is a collective effort as well).
A middle linebacker will find himself largely involved with the bulk of the plays that he is in for; that means an ability to tackle is paramount. We’ve stressed the importance of tackling throughout our linebacker portion of the scouting series, and it most certainly applies to middle linebackers. They must wrap-up, drive, and power through every tackle opportunity they receive.
This post was edited on 9/12/12 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 9/12/12 at 5:45 pm to AUtigR24
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Craig Sanders is usueless at DE they may as well let him stand up and play some type hybrid DE / LB.
Craig Sanders, everyone's favorite bust. He shows that special teams tackles does not equal on field production.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 8:09 pm to BUCKMSTR7399
Buckmstr is 100% correct on how a 4-3 D works...
Posted on 9/12/12 at 8:38 pm to WDE01
So first our offense is so easy to figure out the other team knows the call by the end or the first quarter. And now our DC basically comes out and says we can't play man coverage (as if it wasn't obvious by our play the past two years).
So the other teams knows the plays on offense and knows we will play zone the entire game...Faaaannntastic
So the other teams knows the plays on offense and knows we will play zone the entire game...Faaaannntastic
Posted on 9/12/12 at 8:52 pm to WDEinTX
I like BVG calling us out. Someone needs to.
Posted on 9/14/12 at 9:42 am to weagle99
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"We're not built to play a lot of press man," VanGorder said Tuesday night. "I watched the 1-on-1's again today. We've got to go out and practice and get better at that. A lot of our mission has been to cut down on big plays over our head -- that was a problem a year ago -- and you know, we've been able to do that in the first two games. We're going to play to our player's strengths, right now (man coverage) is not one of our strengths."
So now we just let teams walk it down the field instead of give up big plays...
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