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Archie Manning highest paid in 81 at 600K, Arch potential NIL 3.1 mil

Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:18 am
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13364 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:18 am
Welcome to college free agency. I know rumors say he may not do NIL deals etc etc.

My point is college ball is now free agency without salary caps until something reins it in.

Im hoping we have some organization that has set this business up to negotiate contracts with incoming players and sign up existing kids we want to keep out of the portal. Actual budgets by position so we can get out in front of this and offer kids. We can recruit all we want but the good ones will get several offers for cash, we at least have to ante up to even be considered.

Few kids will sign actual endorsement deals, I expect about 90% will be straight pay for play agreements.
Posted by DutchValleyTiger
Member since Dec 2014
1145 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:55 pm to
Whatever Caused the Parity in the NFL. They should discover a similar model for NCAA. IMO.
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 5:01 pm to
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Whatever Caused the Parity in the NFL. They should discover a similar model for NCAA. IMO.
Referees controlling the outcome? Nah.

I really wish NCAA football would come up with a minor league system and re-introduce some amateurism to the college game. Its really only year one with the NIL and its already hard for me to avoid being cynical with recruiting and paying HS athletes, re-recruiting and paying your own players, and recruiting and paying other college's players.
Posted by AubieinNC2009
Mountain NC
Member since Dec 2018
4941 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 7:28 pm to
dang he can only get 3.1 Mil, while UT is paying Niko 8 Mil
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13364 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 8:19 am to
Im in agreement with you Alpine.

Also humbled by Saban, he said it will only make the top tier teams better, and so it is.

This guy has taken a page out of the ole Dallas Cowboys. We keep getting to the playoffs and beaten by San Fran. Whats the only thing better than improving player personnel, improve it by taking it from your competition.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36461 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 8:21 am to
CFB ain’t no great for Trinidad, Alpine, and Jang.

Bring on professional bowling.

Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
41109 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 9:39 am to
Time to take the college baseball model and apply it to all sports. What’s different? High school kids can go straight to the MLB without any college requirements. Also, the MLB has a well defined and developed farm system that they own and operate.

I’ve never understood why we allow college basketball and college football to be tax payer funded farm systems for the NBA and NFL.
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
16580 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:03 am to
Billions of $$ a year that’s why.

But so many dumbasses fell for these poor hungry kids can’t even get by and can’t work or take their girl friend out on a date. None of these fools must have know any college athletes. We got more free shite, food, drinks, fun. Whatever we wanted and can’t imagine what it’s like for players from large fanbases. If you are legitimately that poor and some are grants are easy to come by.

Plus now they get what a 200k education.

I was a college player that was on partial scholarship and I disagree with any player pay. It’s the beginning of the end for amateurism.
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17289 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:13 am to
quote:

Time to take the college baseball model and apply it to all sports. What’s different? High school kids can go straight to the MLB without any college requirements. Also, the MLB has a well defined and developed farm system that they own and operate.

I’ve never understood why we allow college basketball and college football to be tax payer funded farm systems for the NBA and NFL.
Probably less so with hoops since they allowed the NBA to draft highschoolers/undergrads. That plus the G league seems to work well for all parties, although it leads to a lot of roster turnover.

I’ve always advocated a return to amateurism in CFB, but the hige influx of advertising money starting in the late ‘90s - leading to the vicious cycle of increasing coaching salaries/ticket prices/stadium expansion/facilities improvements/need for even more ad revenue - has pretty much destroyed that prospect.

I almost hope the whole contraption collapses under its own weight soon. If I wanted to watch professional football I’d be an NFL fan.
Posted by DutchValleyTiger
Member since Dec 2014
1145 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:52 am to
You Can't Stop Capitalism. They Got to Be able to Use What they Good Lord Gave them to Stack Dat Paper. IMO
Posted by AuSteeler
montgomery. AL
Member since Jan 2015
2989 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 11:37 am to
It’s just amazing the mess college football is in.

To think that a acne faced kid w skills at qb out the Ying Yang is coveted by all and is offered tons of NIL money in the 6-7 figure range….

But we’ve seen time after time even pro scouts miss so badly on draft day college players they are sure fire first round worthy…

So just think how these college coaches will do when they evaluate hs players and are sure they are the next Heisman trophy winner and fail miserably.

But that acne is going to pocket a boatload of money before he proves it.

Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13364 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 12:19 pm to
That is the one upside I see with the portal, and again I use Saban as an example. People look what was picked up but look what he kicked to the curb without hesitation because he knew he could pick up people in the portal. 5 star lineman who did not live up to billing and 2 high four star head cases.

Before the portal you would give them a lot more slack because you cant replenish until the next class, now, no need to worry.
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
3599 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 12:35 pm to
quote:

It’s just amazing the mess college football is in.

To think that a acne faced kid w skills at qb out the Ying Yang is coveted by all and is offered tons of NIL money in the 6-7 figure range….

But we’ve seen time after time even pro scouts miss so badly on draft day college players they are sure fire first round worthy…

So just think how these college coaches will do when they evaluate hs players and are sure they are the next Heisman trophy winner and fail miserably.

But that acne is going to pocket a boatload of money before he proves it.


What exactly is the problem with the model?

What you are seeing is no different than how the MLB draft operates. Teams give out $3, $4, $5+ million guaranteed bonuses to "17 year olds with acne" because they meet 'X' parameters, despite the fact that none of them have proven anything at the professional level. Most of them end up being total busts by the way, but that is the price of doing business. MLB teams are willing to incur that risk and those sunk costs because just one "hit" ends up providing surplus value in the tens of millions.

Do you not understand that this is basically how normal education and job-hunting works as well? Some 22 year old with a Harvard economics degree is going to walk out of college with a job offer that has a salary that is 'X' times greater than the 22-year old who studied business at his local Junior College. What is the difference? Neither 22 year old has proven that they are capable of doing whatever job they have been hired for, and yet, the one with the supposed "higher education" is going to be rewarded for it.

This is how capitalism works. The market sets a value for the skills that you are perceived to possess. There is always a competition for the best talent. Competition means increased demand. Increased demand means that the "talent" has bargaining power.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
18379 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 2:30 pm to
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My point is college ball is now free agency without salary caps until something reins it in.


Nothing will rein it in.

The NFL has unlimited NIL as well. They just don't have "collectives" doling out the money.

Tom Brady could make $500 billion in endorsement deals to play in the CFL if it were offered to him.

That's why college football will never control the NIL outside of banning boosters from being involved. But even then, I'm not sure the NCAA will legally be able to do anything.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36461 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 3:05 pm to
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This is how capitalism works

Do we really want capitalism? In the market Apple and Amazon and Google can push their weight because of their resources and power against the lesser competition rendering their competition with no realistic shot of making it.

Do we really want to make sure the Bama’s and Ohio State’s can maintain their status just by their boosters having deeper pockets than most.

quote:

The market sets a value for the skills that you are perceived to possess

It’s an arbitrary value. Two years ago colleges were getting 5* players for free. Now all of a sudden- 2 mil seems to be the benchmark. Market can correct too.


BTW, a Harvard economics degree isn’t going to render you a boatload of money fresh out of college. At most it will get your foot in the door, but the applicant still has to prove himself. If he gets inside but beaten out by Juco Johnny then he lost and his degree has no say in the matter.
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 3:06 pm
Posted by DutchValleyTiger
Member since Dec 2014
1145 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 3:06 pm to
Valid Points. Agree to Disagree Jang.
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
16580 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 4:54 pm to
I’m a strong supporter of capitalism but this isn’t capitalism. This is some mix of socialism/communism. Minimum pay NIL deals for all scholarship OL at Texas. That isn’t capitalism that’s enticement. I don’t know the answer but even as a coach myself I have said even back when salaries ballooned to $4m a year that no coach in any organization is worth that kind of money. And yes I know only a fool or a fool of an agent would decline getting more money. But instead of increasing the cost of everything surrounding college sports like going to games keep the prices down. When I still had season tickets it was costing me between 600-800 a weekend to go with the fam. I eventually came to the conclusion that it was a good way to use my money.

And this collective bullshite we have going on which maybe the right and legal way to do it in the ncaa’s mind but in reality who would have gone out and bought a Tony Fair jersey last year. If truly they were getting paid for their name, imagine, or likeness. So it’s all just a facade to pay players and the bigger the fan base the more elite the players will gravitate to. Watch UCF become a powerhouse over the next 15 years if all stays the same.
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
16580 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 4:57 pm to
And it has nothing to do with where Auburn will fall in that pecking order I have no doubts whatever it takes money wise Auburn can make it happen to be a top 10-15 school.
Posted by allin2010
Auburn
Member since Aug 2011
18151 posts
Posted on 5/30/22 at 7:17 am to
It will change the order. TAMU will rise due to oil money.
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
10936 posts
Posted on 5/30/22 at 8:04 am to
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It will change the
. . . focus of the game.

Got my lone TV interview many years ago and afterward the reporter remarked what a difference money made. That the true amateur's were always pushing the event, their sport, or maybe some safety concern. While with the sponsored and paid it was more about them. There was a fundamental shift he how he had to approach his job.
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