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re: 2004 RB depth chart was amazing
Posted on 11/18/15 at 7:31 pm to AUbagman
Posted on 11/18/15 at 7:31 pm to AUbagman
QB: edge Auburn
AU- Jason Campbell
USC- Matt Leinert
RB: slight edge Auburn
AU- Cadilliac and Ronnie Brown
USC- Reggie Bush and Lendale White
WR: push
AU- Ben Obamanu, Devin Aromashodu, Anthony Mix, Courtney Taylor
USC- Steve Smith (Giants version), Dwayne Jarrett
TE: decisive edge, USC
AU- Cooper Wallace
USC- Fred Davis
OL: edge Auburn
AU- Marcus McNeil, King Dunlap, Tim Duckworth, Ben Grubbs
USC- Ryan Kalil, Chilo Rachal, Winston Justice, Sam Baker
DL: edge Auburn
AU- Pat Sims, Jay Ratliff, Quentin Groves, Tyronne Greene, Stanley McClover, Marquiese Gunn, Brett Eddins, Josh "Stump" Thompson
USC- Sedrick Ellis, Shaun Cody, Frostee Rucker, Mike Patterson, Lawrence Jackson, Manuel Wright
LB: slight edge AU
AU- Will Herring, Travis Williams, Karibi Dede, Kevin Sears
USC- Lofa Tatupu, Keith Rivers, Thomas Williams
CB: decisive edge, Auburn
AU- Carlos Rogers, Pat Lee, David Irons
USC- Terrell Thomas, Eric Wright
Safety: edge Auburn
AU- Junior Rosegreen, Kevin Hobbs
USC- Darrell Bing, Scott Ware
K/P: edge Auburn
AU- John Vaughn, Kody Bliss
USC- Ryan Killeen, Tom Malone
AU- Jason Campbell
USC- Matt Leinert
RB: slight edge Auburn
AU- Cadilliac and Ronnie Brown
USC- Reggie Bush and Lendale White
WR: push
AU- Ben Obamanu, Devin Aromashodu, Anthony Mix, Courtney Taylor
USC- Steve Smith (Giants version), Dwayne Jarrett
TE: decisive edge, USC
AU- Cooper Wallace
USC- Fred Davis
OL: edge Auburn
AU- Marcus McNeil, King Dunlap, Tim Duckworth, Ben Grubbs
USC- Ryan Kalil, Chilo Rachal, Winston Justice, Sam Baker
DL: edge Auburn
AU- Pat Sims, Jay Ratliff, Quentin Groves, Tyronne Greene, Stanley McClover, Marquiese Gunn, Brett Eddins, Josh "Stump" Thompson
USC- Sedrick Ellis, Shaun Cody, Frostee Rucker, Mike Patterson, Lawrence Jackson, Manuel Wright
LB: slight edge AU
AU- Will Herring, Travis Williams, Karibi Dede, Kevin Sears
USC- Lofa Tatupu, Keith Rivers, Thomas Williams
CB: decisive edge, Auburn
AU- Carlos Rogers, Pat Lee, David Irons
USC- Terrell Thomas, Eric Wright
Safety: edge Auburn
AU- Junior Rosegreen, Kevin Hobbs
USC- Darrell Bing, Scott Ware
K/P: edge Auburn
AU- John Vaughn, Kody Bliss
USC- Ryan Killeen, Tom Malone
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Posted on 11/18/15 at 7:40 pm to BowlJackson
Usc has the qb and rb advantage
Posted on 11/18/15 at 8:12 pm to Broadside Bob
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The 2004 Tigers would have destroyed USC. Remember how we manhandled a 10-2 UGA team and beat and 10-3 UT team twice?
Yes.
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Auburn 2004 > Auburn 2010
No.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 8:15 pm to CrazyCadillac
Disagree.
Jason Campbell>Matt Leinart and it's really not close
Campbell. 10 years in the league. 16,771 yards 87 TD 60 INT, QBR 81.7
Leinart . 8 years 4065 yards 15 TD 21 INT, 70 QBR
As for RB, Reggie Bush is only a flashier and healthier Cadilliac and Ronnie is worlds better than White.
NFL Stats:
Reggie Bush- 5493 rushing yards, 35 rushing TD. 470 receptions, 3508 receiving yards, 18 receiving TD
Lendale White- 2349 rushing yards, 24 rushing TD
Ronnie Brown- 1 Pro Bowl, 5391 rushing yards, 38 rushing TD.
Cadillac- ROY, 4038 rushing yards 21 rushing TD
ETA: also, Auburn has a huge advantage in depth at both positions. USC had nobody of note behind any of the 3 above mentioned players. AU had Brandon Cox at QB and at RB Brad Lester, Tre Smith, and Kenny Irons
Jason Campbell>Matt Leinart and it's really not close
Campbell. 10 years in the league. 16,771 yards 87 TD 60 INT, QBR 81.7
Leinart . 8 years 4065 yards 15 TD 21 INT, 70 QBR
As for RB, Reggie Bush is only a flashier and healthier Cadilliac and Ronnie is worlds better than White.
NFL Stats:
Reggie Bush- 5493 rushing yards, 35 rushing TD. 470 receptions, 3508 receiving yards, 18 receiving TD
Lendale White- 2349 rushing yards, 24 rushing TD
Ronnie Brown- 1 Pro Bowl, 5391 rushing yards, 38 rushing TD.
Cadillac- ROY, 4038 rushing yards 21 rushing TD
ETA: also, Auburn has a huge advantage in depth at both positions. USC had nobody of note behind any of the 3 above mentioned players. AU had Brandon Cox at QB and at RB Brad Lester, Tre Smith, and Kenny Irons
This post was edited on 11/18/15 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 11/18/15 at 8:45 pm to BowlJackson
2004 Auburn would have at least competed with 2004 USC.
We had everything we needed to win a game against them. We had SEC speed to handle Bush. We had tremendous pass rushers. The best cornerback in the country. A hard hitting safety. A future pro bowler at defensive tackle.
Perhaps USC could have shut down our offense, but I think Campbell would have been given great field position thanks to our defense.
2004 Auburn vs. 2010 Auburn, I'd like to go 2004 Auburn. I sincerely think they were the better team, but you can't bet against Cam Newton.
We had everything we needed to win a game against them. We had SEC speed to handle Bush. We had tremendous pass rushers. The best cornerback in the country. A hard hitting safety. A future pro bowler at defensive tackle.
Perhaps USC could have shut down our offense, but I think Campbell would have been given great field position thanks to our defense.
2004 Auburn vs. 2010 Auburn, I'd like to go 2004 Auburn. I sincerely think they were the better team, but you can't bet against Cam Newton.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 8:49 pm to BowlJackson
quote:Matt Cassell.
ETA: also, Auburn has a huge advantage in depth at both positions. USC had nobody of note behind any of the 3 above mentioned players. AU had Brandon Cox at QB and at RB Brad Lester, Tre Smith, and Kenny Irons
Posted on 11/18/15 at 8:50 pm to BowlJackson
This isn't the nfl. Leinart was better than Campbell. And Bush is possibly the best college back I've ever seen.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 8:57 pm to TTsTowel
Didn't see Cassell listed on the roster I looked at. According to his bio he was so far back on the depth chart he spent time in practice at TE and WR. I also overlooked John David Booty.
Whatever, point still stands for RB and Cox was better in college than Booty or Cassell
Whatever, point still stands for RB and Cox was better in college than Booty or Cassell
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:09 pm to BowlJackson
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Whatever, point still stands for RB and Cox was better in college than Booty or Cassell
But what are their nfl stats
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:12 pm to CrazyCadillac
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This isn't the nfl. Leinart was better than Campbell.
You're wrong. Leinart was in a QB friendly system and played against weak defenses, Campbell didn't have either of those advantages.
2004 Campbell had a QBR of 172.9 and completed 70% of his passes.
Leinart's career highs were QBR of 164 (156 in Heisman year) and 65% completion.
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And Bush is possibly the best college back I've ever seen.
Not arguing with you, but that doesn't detract from how good Cadillac and Ronnie were. Reggie is the most electric college RB I've ever seen, but Cadillac is top 5 and Ronnie might be top 10 (and Ronnie is probably a better pure all-around RB and more capable of carrying the load than either.) And I'm also comparing the position group, not individuals, and Cadillac + Ronnie >> Reggie + Lendale
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:19 pm to CrazyCadillac
Cassel's NFL stats are basically identical to Campbell's with a few more TD. Booty never recorded an NFL stat.
Cassel wasn't the first, and maybe not even the second guy off the bench so he's basically irrelevant in this discussion. Cox was the next guy up for AU and better than USC's backup.
Cassel wasn't the first, and maybe not even the second guy off the bench so he's basically irrelevant in this discussion. Cox was the next guy up for AU and better than USC's backup.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:20 pm to beatbammer
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Auburn 2004 > Auburn 2010
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No
2004 was a much better team than 2010. A team with Cam should never be counted out, but 2004 wins that game 9 out of 10 times.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 6:54 am to BowlJackson
Matt Leinart won a Heisman that year and finished 3rd in a second year. The advantage is massive USC. Just because he didn't pan out in NFL because he was too busy banging Scottsdale sloots doesn't mean he wasn't great college QB
Reggie Bush and Lendale White are at the very worse tossup at RB. Bush is one of the best RBs in college history and won a heisman
Reggie Bush and Lendale White are at the very worse tossup at RB. Bush is one of the best RBs in college history and won a heisman
Posted on 11/19/15 at 6:56 am to BowlJackson
If you are comparing teams based on NFL stats, I bet in 10 years you'll wonder how Florida State in 2013 didn't beat Auburn by 50 and mercy kneel in the 3rd quarter
Posted on 11/19/15 at 10:24 am to bawbarn
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2004 was a much better team than 2010. A team with Cam should never be counted out, but 2004 wins that game 9 out of 10 times.
2010 Cam plus 2010 OL beats 2004 7 times out of 10.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 10:43 am to beatbammer
Idk man, the 2004 DL was immensely more talented than the 2010 OL and got to go up against the 2004 OL in practice which was just as good. Cam would make the 04 LBs look like HS kids, but the 04 DBs vs Darvin and T-Zach matchup heavily favors 04. The 2004 offense would cut through the 2010 defense like butter. I think it's 5/10 split.
I also think 2013 would matchup better vs 2004.
I also think 2013 would matchup better vs 2004.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 11:02 am to BowlJackson
Gonna disagree. Were Josh Thompson, Pat Sims, Jay Ratliff, Bret Eddins, and that a-hole McClover very good?
Yes, they were.
Were they any better than some of the top DLs that the 2010 OL faced and beat? I don't think so.
IMO the most dangerous parts of the 2004 defense to what Cam did on the field were Carlos and Junior. Cam, as good as he was, could sometimes get loosey goosey with the ball in the air. Carlos and Junior would have likely made him pay for any mistake he made in that regard.
Yes, they were.
Were they any better than some of the top DLs that the 2010 OL faced and beat? I don't think so.
IMO the most dangerous parts of the 2004 defense to what Cam did on the field were Carlos and Junior. Cam, as good as he was, could sometimes get loosey goosey with the ball in the air. Carlos and Junior would have likely made him pay for any mistake he made in that regard.
This post was edited on 11/19/15 at 11:04 am
Posted on 11/19/15 at 11:15 am to beatbammer
Hell, I don't think the 2004 DL was any better than the DL that the 2010 OL went up against in practice everyday with Fairley, Carter, Clayton, Blanc and those guys. The 2010 OL wasn't all that talented though, they were just super experienced and full of upperclassmen that played well together. But that was also the case with the 2004 DL, and they had actual NFL talent. It's a good matchup and they would mostly neutralize each other, but Sims, Ratliff, and Thompson and as good a trio of run stuffers up the middle as you'll find at the college level.
Also, agreed about the DBs. Darvin was great for AU and Zachery is one of my all time favorites, but there's a reason those guys aren't still playing while Rogers and Lee lasted so long and did so well. Rosegreen was an animal as well.
Also, agreed about the DBs. Darvin was great for AU and Zachery is one of my all time favorites, but there's a reason those guys aren't still playing while Rogers and Lee lasted so long and did so well. Rosegreen was an animal as well.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 11:32 am to BowlJackson
I think 2004 is a better all around team but 2010 would win by 10+.
Coaching/Scheme -
2004 had never played a HUNH offense with inverted veer/read option elements.
2010 Off vs 04 D -
It isn't just "can they handle Cam," Michael Dyer weighed more than all of the 2004 LBs and is a power runner. We had a super legit OL in 2010 coupled with a very awesome HBack in Smith.
While the AU DBs win vs our WRs, we had 3 good WRs in Zachary, Adams and Blake. I don't see them being able to defend all 3 given the disadvantage vs the run.
2010 D vs 04 Off -
Auburn's 2010 defense is one of the most underappreciated units in AU history. FEI ranked our our defensive efficiency as #8 nationally. We were #9 nationally in rush yards per game despite HUNH + playing the #3 hardest schedule by offensive rankings
The 2004 offense was ultra talented but I don't see them scoring 30+ points. I just don't see the interior OL holding up vs Nick Fairley & Clayton combo. The 2010 team averaged 3 sacks & 7.5 TFL against ranked teams.
Coaching/Scheme -
2004 had never played a HUNH offense with inverted veer/read option elements.
2010 Off vs 04 D -
It isn't just "can they handle Cam," Michael Dyer weighed more than all of the 2004 LBs and is a power runner. We had a super legit OL in 2010 coupled with a very awesome HBack in Smith.
While the AU DBs win vs our WRs, we had 3 good WRs in Zachary, Adams and Blake. I don't see them being able to defend all 3 given the disadvantage vs the run.
2010 D vs 04 Off -
Auburn's 2010 defense is one of the most underappreciated units in AU history. FEI ranked our our defensive efficiency as #8 nationally. We were #9 nationally in rush yards per game despite HUNH + playing the #3 hardest schedule by offensive rankings
The 2004 offense was ultra talented but I don't see them scoring 30+ points. I just don't see the interior OL holding up vs Nick Fairley & Clayton combo. The 2010 team averaged 3 sacks & 7.5 TFL against ranked teams.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 11:37 am to BowlJackson
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2004 DL was immensely more talented than the 2010 OL
This is pretty absurd considering 4/5 OL from 2010 were all conference that year and an extremely good cohesion with 150+ starts together.
Ziemba was an All American in 2010
Ryan Pugh was 1st team All SEC
Brandon Moseley was 2nd team All SEC
Bryon Isom was 2nd Team All SEC
ETA: Also keep in mind that 2004 DL went up against smaller OL. Pat Sims was 295, Ratliff 278, Eddins 265, Mcclover 255
Even if they beat the OL, Cam Newton was as big as the DL
This post was edited on 11/19/15 at 11:42 am
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