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Posted on 2/18/21 at 5:02 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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I’m saying.
You can’t be objective about anything related to Clemson or Fields since you are a Georgia fan.
I have nothing against either.
Both have loads of talent and will go top 10 of 15.I will say I waz more impressed with Fields in '19 than I was
in '20 and his playoff performances worried me a little.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 8:24 pm to RD Dawg
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I have nothing against either.
Oh but my opinion about Jones is biased just because I’m an LSU fan? That’s in essence your stance.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:16 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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Oh but my opinion about Jones is biased just because I’m an LSU fan?
Yes.They're obviously your biggest rival and a continuous troll fest on tRant.
Forgive me if I think you're no different from the other LSU folks over there.
This post was edited on 2/19/21 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 2/19/21 at 6:06 am to RD Dawg
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Forgive me if I think you're no different from the other LSU folks over there.
This is just plain dumb.
But that sort of thinking is what I’ve come to expect from Georgia fans. They are all alike.
Posted on 2/19/21 at 11:27 am to Tigertown in ATL
To be fair, there are a thousands more LSU fans than any other fan base and a large portion are trolls and generally shitty posters. Plus the few who come to this board specifically just talk shite.
Posted on 2/19/21 at 9:03 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Plus the few who come to this board specifically just talk shite.
I’ve only seen Saints fans do that.
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a thousands more LSU fans than any other fan base
No surprise there.
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a large portion are trolls and generally shitty poster
Probably somewhat true because why would there be a large % of people of other schools? And why come to an LSU site if you are just going to troll
But I don’t see how your statement is relevant to anything.
Posted on 2/19/21 at 9:37 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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I’ve only seen Saints fans do that.
Who generally happen to be LSU fans also.
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But I don’t see how your statement is relevant to anything.
Because most of the people who come to this particular board happen to be Saints and LSU fans. Why would he assume you would be any different.
Posted on 2/20/21 at 6:09 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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Who generally happen to be LSU fans also.
Not really. I am not even close to being a Saints fan.
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Why would he assume you would be any different.
1. Because it is stupid small minded thinking
2. Because it shuts down any meaningful conversation
3. Because being an LSU fan has nothing to do with having an objective opinion about Jones. If you think otherwise, see 1.
What you are now championing is that we should all assume that you and your brethren are incapable of having an objective opinion about Mullen, Trask, GT, Fields, Gurley etc.
I could add Jones to the list since Alabama has thoroughly embarrassed Georgia since UGA became semi-relevant again.
Just to lay the cards out, I have 2 kids who graduated from Terry, so Georgia is my second team. TAM is 3rd.
How’s that for breaking the stereotype?
Posted on 2/20/21 at 7:00 am to Tigertown in ATL
I know who you are hoss. I’ve seen you post plenty of times before so you can relax with being so defensive since I was never talking about you specifically. You personally are a solid poster.
I still stand by what I said from the start It’s not unreasonable to assume things about posters you don’t know until they prove otherwise.
But for someone talking about being against small mindedness you sure didn’t have an issue when you said his comment was just plain dumb but you expect that from all Georgia fans.
I still stand by what I said from the start It’s not unreasonable to assume things about posters you don’t know until they prove otherwise.
But for someone talking about being against small mindedness you sure didn’t have an issue when you said his comment was just plain dumb but you expect that from all Georgia fans.
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Posted on 2/20/21 at 12:13 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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But for someone talking about being against small mindedness you sure didn’t have an issue when you said his comment was just plain dumb but you expect that from all Georgia fans.
Fair enough. It was actually an attempt an attempt at sarcasm to make a point.
Turns out it was a poor attempt since it was misunderstood.
Since 2 out of 4 of my favorite people in the world are Georgia fans I most assuredly don’t think that.
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You personally are a solid poster.
I’m willing admit, not always. Maybe not even most of the time. Haha!
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Posted on 2/20/21 at 12:19 pm to Tigertown in ATL
Nah man. I’m pretty sure you post on the UGA board sometimes and are a pretty good poster. 
Posted on 3/3/21 at 6:45 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
(A little long)
by Jeff Schultz for The Athletic
The most important decision Terry Fontenot ever makes as the Falcons’ general manager may come with his first pick in his first draft. Does Fontenot select a quarterback and, if so, whom? The Falcons pick fourth overall, pending trades, and the debate generally comes down to Justin Fields or Zach Wilson.
So the other day I texted someone with just that question: “Justin Fields or Zach Wilson? Go …”
The response: “Mac Jones.”
Uh …
Welcome to guessing season. For as many hours and resources that go into draft preparation, this remains a glorified game of darts. That’s especially true at quarterback. Edge rushers, wide receivers and cornerbacks often can succeed regardless of character flaws and the systems they play in. Quarterbacks often need the coaching, scheme fit, organizational stability and leadership qualities. Tom Brady wowed no scouts athletically coming out of Michigan in 2000. He sat on the draft board until pick No. 199 when the New England Patriots took him in the sixth round and with their seventh selection. We’ll get back to Brady later.
There is no disputing the respective talents of certain first overall pick Trevor Lawrence, Wilson and Fields. Trey Lance also may go in the top 10. But there is significant debate about Jones, who just won a national championship with Alabama. The Athletic’s Dane Brugler wrote that Jones is “universally liked as a prospect” but that there is “wide variance from team to team (on) his ceiling as an NFL quarterback, mostly due to his average physical skill set. He will be valued different from team to team, based on what they value most in the position and the makeup of the roster. Jones could be drafted eighth or 28th.”
The Falcons should draft a quarterback at some point. They’re likely to move on soon from Matt Ryan, who turns 36 years old in May, remains a drag on the salary cap and starts for a team that requires a rebuild after going 18-30 the past three seasons. If the Falcons believe Wilson or Fields is the best fit with the highest upside, draft one of them. Brugler had them taking Fields at No. 4 in a previous mock draft. But in his latest mock, he has Wilson going second overall to the New York Jets, the Carolina Panthers trading up to third to get Fields, and the Falcons settling on an offensive tackle, Penei Sewell. ESPN’s Mel Kiper has the Falcons trading up to second to take Wilson.
It’s silly season.
Jones lacks the obvious skills and athleticism of Lawrence, Wilson and Fields. But if the Falcons like Jones’ intangibles, there are good reasons for them to trade down in the round to take him later.
• They need players. Cheap players. Draft picks are currency. They can collect extra picks to fill roster spots or to use in other trades, potentially even to trade back up later in the draft. Dropping from fourth to 20th could add at least two second-rounders or some combination of seconds, thirds and fourths, depending on how high they are in the draft.
• It would save significantly on the salary cap in 2021 and for the four years of the rookie contract. In 2020, the contract of the fourth overall pick, Andrew Thomas ($32.346 guaranteed), more than doubled that of the 20th pick (K’lavon Chaisson, $13.345 million).
• Jones really isn’t bad. He might actually be very good. He just won a national championship for Alabama, throwing 41 touchdowns with only four interceptions and completing 77.4 percent of his passes. Among his fans, not surprisingly, is former Alabama teammate Tua Tagovailoa, who disputes the perception that Jones isn’t mobile, telling the Yahoo sports podcast, “I would say he’s a sly kind of athletic person. He’s a more mobile Tom Brady.”
Slow your roll there, buddy.
Brady didn’t have off-the-chart numbers, but he had everything else coming out of Michigan, similar to Joe Montana (a third-round pick out of Notre Dame).
Former NFL executive Scott Pioli is the one who texted me “Mac Jones.” I asked him why.
Pioli was in the room when he and Bill Belichick took over the Patriots before the Brady draft of 2000. Pioli said he likes Lawrence, Wilson and Fields, but he added: “I just think Mac Jones has championship makeup and championship leadership and confidence and humility. Being confident and humble is a really good thing for that position. I’ve gotten to know him through the Alabama program because of some of the relationships I have with the people down there. I’ve seen how his teammates reacted to him in practices and in games. That stuff is important to me. I get all of the measurements and the analytics and I believe in that stuff, too. But I also believe in the makeup.”
One perceived “knock” against Jones is that he merely was playing in a perfect situation – great program, great coach and a great supporting cast that included wide receiver Devonta Smith and a strong offensive line.
Pioli’s counterargument: “I don’t know how you hold that against him, because the reality is he was in that system and that situation and he didn’t screw it up. I understand the question. But I also understand humanity where people want to find ways to not give someone credit for being good at something. And here’s the reality: Justin Fields has had some pretty good skill people around him, too. Trevor Lawrence had some pretty good players around him, too. How come people aren’t saying that about those two?”
There are some parallels between the Falcons’ current situation and the one Pioli and Belichick stepped into in 2000. The Falcons have only 39 players under contract and are approximately $20 million above the salary cap. The Patriots had 41 players under contract and were $10.5 million above the cap at a time when the cap was only $62 million. (The 2021 floor is $180 million.)
New England went into the 2000 draft with holes everywhere. In Pioli’s words, “We had positions with no names on it. The one thing we didn’t need was a quarterback.” They had three: Drew Bledsoe, John Friesz and Michael Bishop.
Pioli and Belichick walked the line between “best player available” and “need.” They were surprised Brady was still on the board in the third round. They passed. They were surprised he was there in the fourth round. They passed. Fifth round? Passed.
“He was so far ahead of everybody else on the board,” Pioli said. “It was like ‘Sesame Street’: ‘Which of these things is not like the other?’”
In the fifth, New England took a tight end, Dave Stachelski, who wound up playing nine games for New Orleans and catching one pass in his career. The Patriots also took nose tackle Jeff Marriott, who could bench press 515 pounds but couldn’t play. They moved him to the offensive line. Didn’t work.
In the sixth, they needed a cornerback and took Antwan Harris at No. 187. Brady was still there. New England had another chance in 11 picks.
Pioli: “We were like, ‘What are we missing? Was he arrested last night?’”
They took Brady. He won six Super Bowls with New England. He just won his seventh with Tampa Bay at age 43. Brady isn’t the only example of NFL teams missing on a draft prospect, just one of the most extreme ones.
The Falcons have drafted 25 quarterbacks in franchise history, from Steve Bartkowski (1975) and Michael Vick (2001) at first overall, to Matt Ryan at No. 3 (2008), to the best one of them all, Brett Favre (second round, 33rd, 1991).
Favre wound up a Hall of Famer but for somebody else. In Atlanta, he goofed off and partied and irritated Jerry Glanville. In Green Bay, Favre grew up under a great coach in Mike Holmgren and won a Super Bowl and three MVP awards and went to 11 Pro Bowls. Oops.
by Jeff Schultz for The Athletic
The most important decision Terry Fontenot ever makes as the Falcons’ general manager may come with his first pick in his first draft. Does Fontenot select a quarterback and, if so, whom? The Falcons pick fourth overall, pending trades, and the debate generally comes down to Justin Fields or Zach Wilson.
So the other day I texted someone with just that question: “Justin Fields or Zach Wilson? Go …”
The response: “Mac Jones.”
Uh …
Welcome to guessing season. For as many hours and resources that go into draft preparation, this remains a glorified game of darts. That’s especially true at quarterback. Edge rushers, wide receivers and cornerbacks often can succeed regardless of character flaws and the systems they play in. Quarterbacks often need the coaching, scheme fit, organizational stability and leadership qualities. Tom Brady wowed no scouts athletically coming out of Michigan in 2000. He sat on the draft board until pick No. 199 when the New England Patriots took him in the sixth round and with their seventh selection. We’ll get back to Brady later.
There is no disputing the respective talents of certain first overall pick Trevor Lawrence, Wilson and Fields. Trey Lance also may go in the top 10. But there is significant debate about Jones, who just won a national championship with Alabama. The Athletic’s Dane Brugler wrote that Jones is “universally liked as a prospect” but that there is “wide variance from team to team (on) his ceiling as an NFL quarterback, mostly due to his average physical skill set. He will be valued different from team to team, based on what they value most in the position and the makeup of the roster. Jones could be drafted eighth or 28th.”
The Falcons should draft a quarterback at some point. They’re likely to move on soon from Matt Ryan, who turns 36 years old in May, remains a drag on the salary cap and starts for a team that requires a rebuild after going 18-30 the past three seasons. If the Falcons believe Wilson or Fields is the best fit with the highest upside, draft one of them. Brugler had them taking Fields at No. 4 in a previous mock draft. But in his latest mock, he has Wilson going second overall to the New York Jets, the Carolina Panthers trading up to third to get Fields, and the Falcons settling on an offensive tackle, Penei Sewell. ESPN’s Mel Kiper has the Falcons trading up to second to take Wilson.
It’s silly season.
Jones lacks the obvious skills and athleticism of Lawrence, Wilson and Fields. But if the Falcons like Jones’ intangibles, there are good reasons for them to trade down in the round to take him later.
• They need players. Cheap players. Draft picks are currency. They can collect extra picks to fill roster spots or to use in other trades, potentially even to trade back up later in the draft. Dropping from fourth to 20th could add at least two second-rounders or some combination of seconds, thirds and fourths, depending on how high they are in the draft.
• It would save significantly on the salary cap in 2021 and for the four years of the rookie contract. In 2020, the contract of the fourth overall pick, Andrew Thomas ($32.346 guaranteed), more than doubled that of the 20th pick (K’lavon Chaisson, $13.345 million).
• Jones really isn’t bad. He might actually be very good. He just won a national championship for Alabama, throwing 41 touchdowns with only four interceptions and completing 77.4 percent of his passes. Among his fans, not surprisingly, is former Alabama teammate Tua Tagovailoa, who disputes the perception that Jones isn’t mobile, telling the Yahoo sports podcast, “I would say he’s a sly kind of athletic person. He’s a more mobile Tom Brady.”
Slow your roll there, buddy.
Brady didn’t have off-the-chart numbers, but he had everything else coming out of Michigan, similar to Joe Montana (a third-round pick out of Notre Dame).
Former NFL executive Scott Pioli is the one who texted me “Mac Jones.” I asked him why.
Pioli was in the room when he and Bill Belichick took over the Patriots before the Brady draft of 2000. Pioli said he likes Lawrence, Wilson and Fields, but he added: “I just think Mac Jones has championship makeup and championship leadership and confidence and humility. Being confident and humble is a really good thing for that position. I’ve gotten to know him through the Alabama program because of some of the relationships I have with the people down there. I’ve seen how his teammates reacted to him in practices and in games. That stuff is important to me. I get all of the measurements and the analytics and I believe in that stuff, too. But I also believe in the makeup.”
One perceived “knock” against Jones is that he merely was playing in a perfect situation – great program, great coach and a great supporting cast that included wide receiver Devonta Smith and a strong offensive line.
Pioli’s counterargument: “I don’t know how you hold that against him, because the reality is he was in that system and that situation and he didn’t screw it up. I understand the question. But I also understand humanity where people want to find ways to not give someone credit for being good at something. And here’s the reality: Justin Fields has had some pretty good skill people around him, too. Trevor Lawrence had some pretty good players around him, too. How come people aren’t saying that about those two?”
There are some parallels between the Falcons’ current situation and the one Pioli and Belichick stepped into in 2000. The Falcons have only 39 players under contract and are approximately $20 million above the salary cap. The Patriots had 41 players under contract and were $10.5 million above the cap at a time when the cap was only $62 million. (The 2021 floor is $180 million.)
New England went into the 2000 draft with holes everywhere. In Pioli’s words, “We had positions with no names on it. The one thing we didn’t need was a quarterback.” They had three: Drew Bledsoe, John Friesz and Michael Bishop.
Pioli and Belichick walked the line between “best player available” and “need.” They were surprised Brady was still on the board in the third round. They passed. They were surprised he was there in the fourth round. They passed. Fifth round? Passed.
“He was so far ahead of everybody else on the board,” Pioli said. “It was like ‘Sesame Street’: ‘Which of these things is not like the other?’”
In the fifth, New England took a tight end, Dave Stachelski, who wound up playing nine games for New Orleans and catching one pass in his career. The Patriots also took nose tackle Jeff Marriott, who could bench press 515 pounds but couldn’t play. They moved him to the offensive line. Didn’t work.
In the sixth, they needed a cornerback and took Antwan Harris at No. 187. Brady was still there. New England had another chance in 11 picks.
Pioli: “We were like, ‘What are we missing? Was he arrested last night?’”
They took Brady. He won six Super Bowls with New England. He just won his seventh with Tampa Bay at age 43. Brady isn’t the only example of NFL teams missing on a draft prospect, just one of the most extreme ones.
The Falcons have drafted 25 quarterbacks in franchise history, from Steve Bartkowski (1975) and Michael Vick (2001) at first overall, to Matt Ryan at No. 3 (2008), to the best one of them all, Brett Favre (second round, 33rd, 1991).
Favre wound up a Hall of Famer but for somebody else. In Atlanta, he goofed off and partied and irritated Jerry Glanville. In Green Bay, Favre grew up under a great coach in Mike Holmgren and won a Super Bowl and three MVP awards and went to 11 Pro Bowls. Oops.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 7:09 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
If they take Mac Jones in the first round I’ll already know we fricked up this hire.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 7:11 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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If they take Mac Jones in the first round I’ll already know we fricked up this hire.
I agree. I also don't think this will happen. The Falcons can afford to take Fields or Lance and let them sit for a year like Mahomes did. I have them ranked Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields.
I believe the Falcons will take a QB or trade down.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 7:50 pm to VADawg
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agree. I also don't think this will happen. The Falcons can afford to take Fields or Lance and let them sit for a year like Mahomes did. I have them ranked Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields.
Yeah, it's that time of year where the gms all play the misinformation game.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 5:30 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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If they take Mac Jones in the first round I’ll already know we fricked up this hire.
Yeah I agree. But Schultz is just being a dumbass like usual. I thought it was pretty interesting, thus why I copied it.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 5:34 pm to VADawg
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have them ranked Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields.
Great minds think alike.
Don't let the tRant know that you have TLaw ranked #1. They will scourge and spit at you. They already have him labeled as a "bust."
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I believe the Falcons will take a QB or trade down.
Only thing is, you have to have a dance partner. It looks good in theory, but hard to apply in real time.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:08 am to SteelerBravesDawg
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Only thing is, you have to have a dance partner. It looks good in theory, but hard to apply in real time.
If Sewell is on the board, I think there would be a few teams wanting to move up for him.
I can also think of several teams who might want to move up for a QB. Denver, San Francisco, New England, Washington, and Chicago come to mind. New England and Chicago particularly come to mind. I could see one of them making a huge offer to move up.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 11:53 am to SteelerBravesDawg
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Don't let the tRant know that you have TLaw ranked #1. They will scourge and spit at you. They already have him labeled as a "bust."
That's because those dipshits judge everything off of one game played against LSU. It's the same reason they all think Mullen is a genius, because he beat them one time and played close a couple of times.
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