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re: Talk of a 3-4 D
Posted on 12/14/16 at 8:51 pm to boogiewoogie1978
Posted on 12/14/16 at 8:51 pm to boogiewoogie1978
Not much of a novelty. In fact, iirc it was invented first and the 4-3 wasn't invented until years later by Tom Landry when he backed the nose up. Also, the majority of the NFL still runs out of the 3-4 and that's bama's base defense as well
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Posted on 12/14/16 at 10:17 pm to boogiewoogie1978
With the majority of our opponents switching to some type of spread or motion offense it would help to match speed with speed.
A lot of the passing attacks have very short drop, quick release passes. Bubble screens to the flats, quick slants, etc. That extra DT isn't getting to the QB that fast anyway.
A lot of the passing attacks have very short drop, quick release passes. Bubble screens to the flats, quick slants, etc. That extra DT isn't getting to the QB that fast anyway.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 6:35 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Not much of a novelty.
Oh yeah. How many college teams actually run it besides Bama? It is not the norm in college.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 6:39 pm to boogiewoogie1978
Correct. Most teams don't have the personnel to run it, and we certainly don't. Bama and most of the NFL runs it because they do. It also typically sees a rough transition period. Tennessee, under Sunseri, transitioned to a 3-4 and had a horrendous defensive season in which they gave up like 700 yards to Troy.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 6:39 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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Oh yeah. How many college teams actually run it besides Bama? It is not the norm in college.
It actually is in leagues outside the SEC where there are mostly spread teams and mobile QBs faced weekly.
If you see a true NT, its either a 5 front of a 3 front. Right now, its mostly a 3 front unless you are watching someone play GT, Navy, Army, or Air Force.
We couldve been better this season running the 3-4. Randy Ramsey is an excellent candidate for the OLB who will also have his hand in the ground.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 6:47 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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boogiewoogie1978
To answer your question...Aranda ran it at Wisconsin...Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, Texas Tech, BYU, Indiana, Houston, Alabama, Army, Navy, Air Force, Stanford, Southern Cal, Fresno State, Oregon. Those are the teams off that claim the 3-4 as their base defense. The thing is, they only run it maybe 25-30% of the time. Same with Bama. A lot of the time, they're in the nickel.
Kentucky started running it this season.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 7:05 pm to Hawgeye
Our linebackers are bad enough no need other put more of them on the field to figure out exactly how shallow we are at this position always
Posted on 12/15/16 at 7:07 pm to oklahogjr
But if a team commits to running the 3-4, you then can go after undersized defensive ends and put them on the edge in a stand up position. You know, the 6'4" 230lb guy that has some speed but isn't a legit inside option at LB. Basically Randy Ramsey.
Look at Key at LSU and the #56 kid at Alabama. Its not about size...its about speed and more so about quickness off the ball.
Look at Key at LSU and the #56 kid at Alabama. Its not about size...its about speed and more so about quickness off the ball.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 7:12 pm to oklahogjr
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Our linebackers are bad enough no need other put more of them on the field to figure out exactly how shallow we are at this position always
Can it really be much worse than putting bad DEs out there instead?
Posted on 12/15/16 at 8:32 pm to TheCheshireHog
3-4 doesn't trade a DE for a LB. It trades a DT for a LB.
I think it will help us pursue the outside runs and short passes as well as confuse the O-line a bit more.
If I were running the defense I'd run a 3-4 and blitz a different LB or even CB or safety every single play. Keep the same number of people in the secondary but keep the offense guessing.
I think it will help us pursue the outside runs and short passes as well as confuse the O-line a bit more.
If I were running the defense I'd run a 3-4 and blitz a different LB or even CB or safety every single play. Keep the same number of people in the secondary but keep the offense guessing.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 8:37 pm to dbeck
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3-4 doesn't trade a DE for a LB. It trades a DT for a LB.
Yes and no. Karl Roesler isn't a DE in a 3-4 and McTelvin Agim isn't a DT in a 3-4.
Posted on 12/16/16 at 3:47 pm to TheCheshireHog
I now think that McTelvin with his weight gain will be a perfect fit for a 3-4. I'm not sure how guidry fits in this scheme.
We whiffed in recruiting on that JUCO 350lb NT (this is the position that truly defines if you can run a 3-4 effectively)
If you don't have a huge NT who demands a double team it screws the whole scheme up. Jackson is the only guy who can play this rolem
We whiffed in recruiting on that JUCO 350lb NT (this is the position that truly defines if you can run a 3-4 effectively)
If you don't have a huge NT who demands a double team it screws the whole scheme up. Jackson is the only guy who can play this rolem
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Posted on 12/16/16 at 3:59 pm to russellvillehog
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If you don't have a huge NT who demands a double team it screws the whole scheme up. Jackson is the only guy who can play this rolem
NT doesn't have to be huge. He just needs to draw a double team. Most of the time, Centers have issues with blocking simply because their first priority is securing the snap. Capps and Jackson would be viable options at NT next season in my opinion. Capps looked good as the season progressed. He is listed at 309 and could likely put on another 10 pounds or so this off season and play around 319.
Capps/Jackson in the middle
Agim/Guidry/Roesler/Beanum on the outsides
Posted on 12/16/16 at 4:09 pm to russellvillehog
3-4 fits Randy Ramsey more than anybody we have. He can become a NFL caliber rusher in a 3-4.
Posted on 12/16/16 at 6:57 pm to Hawgeye
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Look at Key at LSU and the #56 kid at Alabama. Its not about size...its about speed and more so about quickness off the ball.
Do we have quick players on our defense outside agim?
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you then can go after undersized defensive ends and put them on the edge in a stand up position. You know, the 6'4" 230lb guy that has some speed but isn't a legit inside option at LB
That does make some sense when you put it like that.
How do we address that some of these kids can't learn our current playbook now we're gonna try and learn another?
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