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So, about that "rape culture" and "rape epidemic" on campus....

Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:01 pm
Posted by wmr
North of Dickson, South of Herman's
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:01 pm
In addition to the couple of "rapes" where the "victims" curiously didn't press charges this year, we had this last year:

Student files false rape report.

And now this. The recent "parking garage sexual assault" in Harmon, also fake:

Didn't happen.

Discuss....

This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 8:06 pm
Posted by ocelot4ark
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:34 pm to
Nothing shocking. The definition of rape has become so eroded by the "empowered" feminists that you can LITERALLY wake up 3 months later, decide you were raped despite your continuing to DATE YOUR "PREDATOR," and claim you were raped because you were drunk when you fricked your boyfriend. Seriously. SERIOUSLY THAT IS CONSIDERED RAPE.

Yeah, yeah. Okay. Sure. Whatever. But that feminist definition of what constitutes rape has made criminal justice around the topic pretty hard to quantify. But I DO know that the latest, best data shows that only 6 in 1000 college students will be sexually assaulted. Not the "1 in 4" that Obama, Gilebrand, or the rest of the knuckledraggers were championing.
Posted by Killean
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:46 pm to
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Yeah, yeah. Okay. Sure. Whatever. But that feminist definition of what constitutes rape has made criminal justice around the topic pretty hard to quantify. But I DO know that the latest, best data shows that only 6 in 1000 college students will be sexually assaulted. Not the "1 in 4" that Obama, Gilebrand, or the rest of the knuckledraggers were championing.




Well.. would you believe that BOTH stats are likely correct?



One in four college women report surviving rape or attempted rape at some point in their lifetime. These are anonymous reports on multi-campus surveys sampling thousands of college students nationwide (Fisher, Cullen & Turner, 2000; Tjaden & Thoennes, 2006). This rate has remained the same since studies in the 1980s (Koss, Gidycz, & Wisniewki, 1987).




25% of women and 16% of men have been sexually abused as children (Dube, Withfield, & Felitti, 2005).
Posted by wmr
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:38 pm to
Those stats are bullshite.

The definition of "attempted rape" on an anonymous survey....

False rape accusations ruin the lives of young men all over the country every year. Universities do not give men due process when there is a rape allegation.

Its important to remember that when feminazis push their "rape culture" hysteria, there are real people whose lives are being ruined by the witch hunt. If a woman "survives" a rape or "rape attempt", then she should report it to the authorities and press charges. Rape shield laws go above and beyond protecting the identities of accusers. There is no risk. The same laws do not, however, protect the accused. Huge double standard, and extremely anti-male.

I sincerely hope that these women who falsely report sexual assault are prosecuted.
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 9:43 pm
Posted by Killean
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 10:44 pm to
You've figured it out..


There's a vast feminist conspiracy to make shite up about the amount of rape and sexual assaults being committed against women and men and those nasty fricking feminists have been particularly concerned about the gross under reporting of child sexual abuse, particularly against boys.



Maybe you should quit being a fricking BRO and maybe look the frick around. Try volunteering at a rape crisis center or with RAINN. Dipshits like you who naturally assume that EVERY rape accusation is false and that Everyone would want to report their friend or family member for assault and they wouldn't face any pressure from other friends or family to "not ruin the life" of a rapist are why it's such a big problem.

Heaven forbid this happens to one of your family members.. but GUESS frickING WHAT. It probably already has and they can't say a damn thing about it or get any support because you're such a tool.




The standard number for false reports is about 8 or 9%.


That's less than one in 10. Rape in general is only reported in 1/3rd of the cases. Most of the time it's almost impossible to prosecute because of the time involved between it happening and a report.


The idea that ANYTHING is anti-male is rather fricking stupid. It's like saying well shite, we white people are just absolutely screwed these days and the minorities get all the breaks.
Posted by ocelot4ark
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 3/12/15 at 1:04 am to
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There's a vast feminist conspiracy to make shite up about the amount of rape and sexual assaults being committed against women and men and those nasty fricking feminists have been particularly concerned about the gross under reporting of child sexual abuse, particularly against boys.



Pretty sure NOW actively campaigned against the FBI's inclusion of men it's definition of rape. Meaning that it was impossible for men to be raped. And also, if anything, feminists tend to downplay the rate at which men are assaulted.

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Try volunteering at a rape crisis center or with RAINN. Dipshits like you who naturally assume that EVERY rape accusation is false


Ahh hysterical re-framing of a non-knuckledragger's argument. Classic feminist response. No one is saying rape doesn't happen and no one is saying that every rape accusation is false. How the frick you got to that conclusion is pretty telling.

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Everyone would want to report their friend or family member for assault and they wouldn't face any pressure from other friends or family to "not ruin the life" of a rapist are why it's such a big problem.


I always think it's funny how these people are so horrifyingly traumatized by their assault that they can't press charges with an actual investigative body like the police (such as the Columbia student with the mattress), but they are completely okay with re-telling their story to a university panel that, by policy, won't actually question the validity of her story. A body that won't allow the accused to introduce evidence on his behalf or have representation by an attorney.

But once again, no one is saying that it's easy being raped or having to deal with the aftermath in a responsible manner that gets rapists off the streets.

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Heaven forbid this happens to one of your family members.. but GUESS frickING WHAT. It probably already has and they can't say a damn thing about it or get any support because you're such a tool.


r/tumblrinaction

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The standard number for false reports is about 8 or 9%.



Guys, guys, guys. Just because 9% of rapists have their lives unnecessarily ruined by a false rape accusation, it's not like it's a big deal. I mean - this is verified because a false rape is provable. 9 of 100 men rotting away, potentially getting raped themselves, losing their jobs, livelihoods, and reputations...that 9 guys that we're 100% sure exist? Not a big deal.

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Rape in general is only reported in 1/3rd of the cases.


And how do we know that? If it wasn't reported in the first place, how do we know? Did the women who DIDN'T report their rapes call up the FBI and let them know they were raped? There were, say, 100,000 rapes in 2014. So you're saying there were definitely 200,000 additional rapes that just weren't reported? And you know that for a fact? And what kind of rape are we talking about? Can we discuss the varying degrees of ambiguity that feminism has introduced?

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Most of the time it's almost impossible to prosecute because of the time involved between it happening and a report.


"I'm sorry it took me 9 months to report that attempted murder, officer. I was just too traumatized." It's odd how for rape there's almost no expectation that a victim come forward to help get the criminal off of the streets. Vast benefit to society? Save other women the same, traumatizing fate?

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The idea that ANYTHING is anti-male is rather fricking stupid. It's like saying well shite, we white people are just absolutely screwed these days and the minorities get all the breaks


No, actually, it's not at all like that. Holy shite, man. How about this...tell me how PRO-MALE child custody courts are. Tell me how PRO-MALE cancer research funding is. Tell me how PRO-MALE selective service is. Tell me how PRO-MALE Title IX is. Tell me how PRO-MALE the American education system is. Tell me how PRO-MALE the Duluth model is. Tell me how PRO-MALE affirmative consent is.

I bet you can tell me all about a "$0.23 pay gap (which doesn't exist)." But did you know that the vast majority of homeless people in this country are male? Did you know the majority of homeless shelters accept women and children only? Did you know that men commit the vast majority of suicides? Did you know that women serve 40% LESS TIME for the SAME CRIME as a man? Did you know there's a wanton culture of rape in the American prison system that no one cares about? Like - actual, forcible rape. Institutionalized rape. Rape from the people meaning to protect. Rape, rape, rape. Society's view? Hahaha - guys are getting raped.

Ya know - women used to have pretty rough compared to their male counterparts, but there's almost NOTHING left for them to complain about. I've listed quite a few items that are VASTLY important to men...life and death...familiy...issues that are factual, as opposed to wage gap. But which of these issues do you actually HEAR about? Wage gap. Which issues are actually important? Breast cancer (Prostate cancer's over in the corner like what the hell...)? What educational issues are prevalent? Getting girls in STEM fields - not the vast deterioration in academic performance among boys and men since the 1970's compared to women. There's no need to correct THAT. Nope - wage gap. 1-in-5 females will be raped (complete and utter bullshite - LINK). Etc, etc.

Anyone that thinks the scales are tipped AGAINST women in any significant fashion in this country just isn't paying attention to the current state of affairs.
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 3/12/15 at 6:02 am to
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But I DO know that the latest, best data shows that only 6 in 1000 college students will be sexually assaulted. Not the "1 in 4" that Obama, Gilebrand, or the rest of the knuckledraggers were championing.
Link? I haven't seen this number before and I like to stay informed about this issue.
Posted by Porker Face
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Posted on 3/12/15 at 7:51 am to
If you dont think rape is a problem on all college campuses you are a fricking idiot
Posted by DocHog
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 3/12/15 at 8:34 am to
Read the "Dear Colleague" letter from the Obama Administration regarding Title IX. It's as if due process evaporates when you become a student.

Rape and sexual assault are real. We all know that. And as an ObGyn, I've had my patients raped, murdered, stalked, beaten. Some of it has been truly horrific.

BUT, the campus craziness and unconstitutional Title IX stuff doesn't help. Sexual crimes have no business being adjudicated and investigated by college admins no matter how well-meaning they may be. Fix the traditional law enforcement system if we need to, but don't stomp on the constitution via diktat
Posted by ocelot4ark
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 3/12/15 at 9:29 am to
You're not too far behind. This only came out recently...

LINK
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 3/12/15 at 10:12 am to
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BUT, the campus craziness and unconstitutional Title IX stuff doesn't help. Sexual crimes have no business being adjudicated and investigated by college admins no matter how well-meaning they may be. Fix the traditional law enforcement system if we need to, but don't stomp on the constitution via diktat
I got into a little trouble with some substance use on campus. Didn't get arrested, but wound up in the hospital. I was fine, but the campus police reported the incident to the university even though I wasn't arrested. I went through the campus disciplinary system and had to go to substance abuse counseling for a while. I never really had a 'problem' with substance abuse, but that one incident was definitely a problem and I can't blame the university for requiring me to go through the process.

I don't see this disciplinary system as 'stomping on the constitution'. Universities have the right to set standards for on-campus behavior, and they have the right to investigate and discipline students for what they do on campus. If a student violates the code of conduct, the university has the right to discipline the student. Makes perfect sense to me.

I'll grant that it's far easier for the university to decide to discipline students for suspected breaches of the code of conduct than it is to convict someone in criminal court. Students do not have the same presumption of innocence, and disciplinary boards do not have the same burden of proof that exists in criminal court. But universities aren't enforcing laws, so there's no requirement for due process.
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 3/12/15 at 10:16 am to
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You're not too far behind. This only came out recently...

LINK

Thanks, I'll have to read it later. I'm interested to know whether that rate is on an annual basis or a lifetime basis. I'd also like to know more about the methods used in collecting data for the survey. It's really hard for me to understand what they mean by "6 in 1000" without looking more closely at the report.
Posted by ocelot4ark
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 3/12/15 at 10:54 am to
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I don't see this disciplinary system as 'stomping on the constitution'. Universities have the right to set standards for on-campus behavior, and they have the right to investigate and discipline students for what they do on campus. If a student violates the code of conduct, the university has the right to discipline the student. Makes perfect sense to me.


I think you do a good job of describing the current state of affairs, but how did we get here? Title IX. If Title IX didn't require universities to investigate these issues and, instead, forced universities to refer to law enforcement, I doubt non-feminists would have any complaints. The rape is investigated, everyone gets their say, everyone gets representation in the courts.

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Students do not have the same presumption of innocence, and disciplinary boards do not have the same burden of proof that exists in criminal court. But universities aren't enforcing laws, so there's no requirement for due process.



But should they? I think that's the argument. We know how it is currently, it's just that it's not fair. That's about as un-American as it gets. Random boy John is accused of rape by Sally. Campus newspaper reports on the accusation against John or it just gets out around campus that he's a rapist. He eventually gets expelled by the campus clown court because, well, that's what happens when your only defense is, "I didn't do what she says I did," because you're not allowed to have a lawyer or introduce evidence.

So you've got a kid that potentially did nothing wrong...and his life is ruined. Bust your arse since 7th grade so that you can get a football scholarship to your dream school? Too bad. Practice 3 hours a day so you can get a music scholarship to your dream school? Too bad. Study hard every night so that you can get an academic scholarship to your dream school? Too bad. He's got PLENTY of time to rebuild his life or start over, but why should he have to? The collateral damage that results from a false rape accusation is almost universally ignored. Throw a parade next time you see an American DA prosecute a woman for filing a false rape report.

A few things need to happen. 1) We have to stop thinking in step with the status quo out of fear of social justice backlash. 2) We need to eliminate the Title IX requirement for university investigations and replace it with a requirement to refer to law enforcement. 3) We need protections for the accused. The stakes are entirely too high (You're front page news if you're ARRESTED for rape, but they won't make a peep when you're cleared). A false rape accusation can/will/does ruin lives and taxpayers deserve better. 50% of the population deserves better. The federal government fricked up but if enough people make enough noise, eventually these conversations will happen in the mainstream and maybe we can regain a little sanity.
Posted by Bear-O-Dactyl
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Posted on 3/12/15 at 11:14 am to
What's with all these rape and political threads? Am I going to have to start another tRock>NWA discussion to get things back to the normal, lighthearted status quo we all know and love?
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 3/12/15 at 11:23 am to
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What's with all these rape and political threads? Am I going to have to start another tRock>NWA discussion to get things back to the normal, lighthearted status quo we all know and love?
frick you and die, tRocktard!!!
Posted by ocelot4ark
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 3/12/15 at 11:24 am to
Don't poke the hornet's nest, Bear!
Posted by piggilicious
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Posted on 3/12/15 at 11:34 am to
we should really start playing all our home games in little rock.
Posted by DocHog
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Posted on 3/12/15 at 11:38 am to
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I'll grant that it's far easier for the university to decide to discipline students for suspected breaches of the code of conduct than it is to convict someone in criminal court. Students do not have the same presumption of innocence, and disciplinary boards do not have the same burden of proof that exists in criminal court. But universities aren't enforcing laws, so there's no requirement for due process.



This makes me queasy. There are potentially life-long ramifications of Title IX actions taken by universities. Try getting a law license or a medical license if you are popped by Title IX.

So I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Administrative personnel have no business riding roughshod over students and making decisions with lowered burdens of proof that could destroy a young person's career.

I'll state it again: our basic rights as Americans don't stop on campus. Read the "Dear Colleague" letter re: Title IX sent by this administration a few years ago and tell me that it isn't redolent of some old Diktat from the USSR announced on 'Pravda' back in the day.
Posted by ocelot4ark
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 3/12/15 at 3:47 pm to
You sure got a pretty mind, boy.
Posted by PygmalionEffect
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 3/12/15 at 5:51 pm to
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But I DO know that the latest, best data shows that only 6 in 1000 college students will be sexually assaulted. Not the "1 in 4" that Obama, Gilebrand, or the rest of the knuckledraggers were championing.



See, that's a misquote. The 1 in 4 refers to a sexual assault on all females as a group over their lifetime, whereas the 6 in 1,000 refers to the incidence of sexual assault on female college students.

Both of those stats could be relatively correct because non college females get assaulted at a higher rate than college females and there is a fairly high % of assault on a female before she turns 18. Then you add the decades after college.

Not mutually exclusive.
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