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Food for thought... About Arkansas actually competing.

Posted on 11/21/16 at 7:39 pm
Posted by Razorback Reverend
Member since Dec 2013
22717 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 7:39 pm
So, during BP's best season at Arkansas he won 3 games against teams with winning conference records...

3... Some seem to think that he hung the moon as a HC, however the level of competition wasn't as tough as well.

the rankings of the competition that year wasn't as high either.

Not trying to say Bert is better, however apples/oranges.

And, Petrino's recruiting was going down hill fast during his final 2 season here. What will Bert do?


Last but not least... Biddy seems to think we are making much more out of the "Changes in the offseason" comment pertaining to the Defense. He seem to think it was in relation to more about scheme and less about changes in coaching staff..

Whoops!
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42348 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 7:43 pm to
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Last but not least... Biddy seems to think we are making much more out of the "Changes in the offseason" comment pertaining to the Defense. He seem to think it was in relation to more about scheme and less about changes in coaching staff..



This is more exciting than new faces to run the same scheme.

Its the also the anti-nutt showing a willingness to change "your" side of the ball...
Posted by Arkansasrazorback
Member since May 2010
9288 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:31 pm to
For the schedule is so hard crowd, how many have we won/played against ranked teams?

A&M. Won't finish ranked. Typical bed shite

Alabama. Will win national title

TCU. Will make a bowl...barely

Florida. Won't be ranked after their butthole is stretched by FSU/Bama and the bowl opponent

LSU. 4 losses. Will likely finish ranked, but only one unexpected loss kills that.

Ole Miss. Playing for bowl eligibility

Auburn. Need to win their bowl game to finish ranked. Lose and they won't be.
Posted by Arkansasrazorback
Member since May 2010
9288 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:49 pm to
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anti-nutt


We lose convincingly: "a lot of excuses"

We win convincingly: "look at all these great adjustments I made"
Posted by WonderWartHawg
Member since Dec 2010
10397 posts
Posted on 11/22/16 at 8:15 am to
We may be the worst 7-4 team in the country (to play on a theme in other threads)
Posted by NaptownHog
Indianapolis, In
Member since Nov 2011
513 posts
Posted on 11/22/16 at 8:16 am to
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So, during BP's best season at Arkansas he won 3 games against teams with winning conference records... 3... Some seem to think that he hung the moon as a HC, however the level of competition wasn't as tough as well.


At the end of the day he beat who was in front of him and got 2 10 win seasons here regardless. Why do ppl always try and downgrade his success? Don't recall any Toledo type loses maybe I'm misremembering.
Posted by Arkansasrazorback
Member since May 2010
9288 posts
Posted on 11/22/16 at 8:27 am to
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Why do ppl always try and downgrade his success


It's an effort to make Bielema look better or equal by comparison. Right now the narrative is that the SEC is more difficult (even though it is the weakest it has been in years) and that Bobby couldn't win important games (even though he won a handful).
Posted by NaptownHog
Indianapolis, In
Member since Nov 2011
513 posts
Posted on 11/22/16 at 8:46 am to
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It's an effort to make Bielema look better or equal by comparison. Right now the narrative is that the SEC is more difficult (even though it is the weakest it has been in years) and that Bobby couldn't win important games (even though he won a handful).


When he was here the SEC was rolling out like 8 straight BCS titles, LSU was on par with Bama, the East was actually good etc etc. yea I don't get it
Posted by Clark14
L.A.Hog
Member since Dec 2014
19063 posts
Posted on 11/22/16 at 9:14 am to
To his credit,bielema has taken us out of the dumpster and brought us back to the middle of the pack, where we've generally been in this conference with the exception of a few good seasons.And bad ones.

My question is, now that he's set a base, can he get the right players here to shore up the weaknesses and move to the next level.

I'm willing to give him a chance to find out.
This post was edited on 11/22/16 at 9:16 am
Posted by Razorback Reverend
Member since Dec 2013
22717 posts
Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:09 am to
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It's an effort to make Bielema look better or equal by comparison. Right now the narrative is that the SEC is more difficult (even though it is the weakest it has been in years) and that Bobby couldn't win important games (even though he won a handful).


Me posting this, is an effort to bring some actual thinking to an emotional set. And it is true. Yes, the SEC is stronger now overall than it was then. My reasoning for this is from top to bottom, parity has set in in the SEC and it is still by far the strongest conference. Just take a look at the polls. 3-4 loss teams still ranked. Different times folks.

And, although I am grateful for BP's efforts here, I am one who thinks he did us more harm than good in the aftermath. His recruiting was terrible following the gifts handed to him in Arkansas Kids. Hi choices of assistants weren't much either. Remember Willie and Klenakis... Good Grief.

He was everything to the program, there was little delegation. For consideration look at Garrick McGee and his tenure as a HC, and brother Paul.

I do believe CBB is a good coach, but he still has to make some changes. We shall see. FWIW, prepare to disagree
Posted by Columbia
Land of the Yuppies
Member since Mar 2016
3132 posts
Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:27 am to
I worry about how long we can keep Enos. I feel we waste his talent if we can't capitalize on a top defense while he's here.
Posted by NaptownHog
Indianapolis, In
Member since Nov 2011
513 posts
Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:34 am to
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And it is true. Yes, the SEC is stronger now overall than it was then


Really? The season we went 11-2 the SEC had 4 teams in the top 10 in the final rankings with 2 playing for the BCS title.

Overall 8 out of 12 SEC teams finished with winning records.

Final 2011 rankings

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gifts handed to him in Arkansas Kids.


CBP first class with notable Arkansas kids
Chris Gragg- 3 star
Greg Childs- 3 star
Joe Adams- 4 star
Jarius Wright- 3 star
Tyler Wilson- 4 star

I wouldn't consider that "gifts" that's a normal Arkansas class

CBB first class with notable Arkansas kids

Hunter Henry- 4 star
Austin Allen- 4 star
Brooks Ellis- 3 star
Drew Morgan- 2 star




Posted by Arkansasrazorback
Member since May 2010
9288 posts
Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:43 am to
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And it is true. Yes, the SEC is stronger now overall than it was then. My reasoning for this is from top to bottom, parity has set in in the SEC and it is still by far the strongest conference.


Thank God for the Big 12 or the SEC would be the worst p5 conference. This Arkansas team would be playing for a bowl this week if the SEC were as strong as it was in 2010.

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His recruiting was terrible


For the most part I agree with this, but man do we get softer and shittier the more his recruits cycle out.

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His choice of assistants weren't much either.


This is true. None of his assistants were worth a shite.


Posted by Razorback Reverend
Member since Dec 2013
22717 posts
Posted on 11/22/16 at 10:52 am to
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For the most part I agree with this, but man do we get softer and shittier the more his recruits cycle out.


Well, that is possible I am beginning to agree with CtoV about our strength and conditioning program!

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This is true. None of his assistants were worth a shite.


Absolutely terrible...
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