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re: Calling BTHog to the flight deck.
Posted on 10/26/12 at 2:09 pm to bpfergu
Posted on 10/26/12 at 2:09 pm to bpfergu
I'm not playing the semantic game with you. What you said is clear as day:
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Vets that have trouble landing a job after their military service have trouble not because of their education or skill set, but because of other factors...
You left out the rest.
It's not semantics, I said what i said and anyone reading this topic can see it for themselves. They don't have to rely on you cutting out bits and peices to support your argument.
I lowered the number for your benefit, it supported your argument, but obviously you're not bright enough to see that.
Read last post.
I'm done with you. I don't normally side with BT but this time I'm going to, you don't like the military despite what you claim.
No one wants to have a discussion with someone that wants to twist words and select bits of a conversation without adding the whole thing. And if you want to look up the statistics, then by all means do so. I told you what the VA statistics show but if you're not happy with that figure find one that suits your claim, I'm sure there's plenty out there.
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Vets that have trouble landing a job after their military service have trouble not because of their education or skill set, but because of other factors...
You left out the rest.
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Vets that have trouble landing a job after their military service have trouble not because of their education or skill set, but because of other factors, such as having to work autonomously, working in an unstructured environment, or because of combat stress. Getting the job is easy for the most part, it's keeping it that poses the problem.
It's not semantics, I said what i said and anyone reading this topic can see it for themselves. They don't have to rely on you cutting out bits and peices to support your argument.
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I didn't assume anything other than that you knew what you were talking about, but I guess I assumed too much. You said 20% have seen combat and I went with that. I'll be sure to find my own numbers from here on out because you've clearly indicated yours are full of shite. Thanks for the heads up at least!
I lowered the number for your benefit, it supported your argument, but obviously you're not bright enough to see that.
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You truly are unbelievable. You give me phony numbers and you say I'M the one trying to twist things? It is a good thing you aren't a lawyer because you are absolutely horrible at all of this.
Read last post.
I'm done with you. I don't normally side with BT but this time I'm going to, you don't like the military despite what you claim.
No one wants to have a discussion with someone that wants to twist words and select bits of a conversation without adding the whole thing. And if you want to look up the statistics, then by all means do so. I told you what the VA statistics show but if you're not happy with that figure find one that suits your claim, I'm sure there's plenty out there.
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Posted on 10/26/12 at 2:16 pm to TheOtherWhiteMeat
Posted on 10/26/12 at 2:41 pm to TheOtherWhiteMeat
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It's not semantics, I said what i said and anyone reading this topic can see it for themselves. They don't have to rely on you cutting out bits and peices to support your argument.
I left out that part because it has nothing to do with the point we are discussing. How does that strengthen or weaken your statement that education (or lack thereof) is not the reason they are having difficulty landing jobs? All that statement is adding is essentially that them joining the military is putting them at a DISADVANTAGE due to issues in keeping a job. That actually hurts your claims even more.
You are still wiggling around the topic at hand I see. Just own up to your statement. It's not that difficult. It baffles me that you can't understand why a vet who, say, wants to be an architect has difficulty doing so when they don't have a degree in architecture. Or a vet who wants to do nursing struggles to find a nursing job where they view her 10 years driving a tank as being an acceptable replacement for nursing school. It's almost comical I'm even having to defend this.
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I lowered the number for your benefit, it supported your argument, but obviously you're not bright enough to see that.
This discussion neither benefits or hurts me. I'm indifferent to it. I'm just stating simple facts and attempting to inform the misinformed. Either way, you could have said any arbitrary number and for the third time, it has absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about. Nothing. Zero. Zilch. Why you keep bringing it up is beyond me.
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Read last post.
I'm done with you. I don't normally side with BT but this time I'm going to, you don't like the military despite what you claim.
No one wants to have a discussion with someone that wants to twist words and select bits of a conversation without adding the whole thing. And if you want to look up the statistics, then by all means do so. I told you what the VA statistics show but if you're not happy with that figure find one that suits your claim, I'm sure there's plenty out there.
Well then you are as close-minded and blatantly incorrect as he is. Then so be it. I have no problem with the military. In fact I support it, have done engineering work for various military branches, and have plenty of friends and family who are in it. The fact you think I have any emotional involvement towards this discussion to me speaks loads of your underlying bias towards this. Bias is fine, but don't let it cloud your judgement to the point that you can't acknowledge simple facts that are right in front of you. Doing so makes you no different than BTHog.
If you can give me a SINGLE example of "twisting words" then I'll take back what I said. Quoting something you said and replying to it isn't twisting words. Providing verifiable, established examples of laws is not twisting words.
Posted on 10/26/12 at 2:55 pm to TheOtherWhiteMeat
Here, I'll just make this simple. Here are the things I've tried to argue. If you disagree with any then tell me and I'll attempt to hold your hand some more and spoon-feed you why they are what they are.
1 - Simply being in the military does not make you qualified for jobs that require unrelated experience or college education.
2 - People in the military who do not have the accepted experience/education mentioned in (1) do not get exceptions made to them because they were in the military
3 - Because of (2), this puts many vets at a disadvantage when it comes finding particular jobs after being in the military.
4 - Jobs in the private sector are not, in general, going to be bias towards people in the military just because they are in the military. They are going to hire the person most qualified for the position. To not do this can open them up to being sued for a plethora of things such as preferential treatment, discrimination, etc.
5 - Government jobs, by federal law, have to have preference towards veterans via the Veterans' Preference Act. This is an established law that has been around for decades, and abiding by it is not only legally required, but also monitored on a yearly basis.
So which one of those do you disagree with?
1 - Simply being in the military does not make you qualified for jobs that require unrelated experience or college education.
2 - People in the military who do not have the accepted experience/education mentioned in (1) do not get exceptions made to them because they were in the military
3 - Because of (2), this puts many vets at a disadvantage when it comes finding particular jobs after being in the military.
4 - Jobs in the private sector are not, in general, going to be bias towards people in the military just because they are in the military. They are going to hire the person most qualified for the position. To not do this can open them up to being sued for a plethora of things such as preferential treatment, discrimination, etc.
5 - Government jobs, by federal law, have to have preference towards veterans via the Veterans' Preference Act. This is an established law that has been around for decades, and abiding by it is not only legally required, but also monitored on a yearly basis.
So which one of those do you disagree with?
Posted on 10/26/12 at 2:55 pm to bpfergu
Posted on 10/26/12 at 4:07 pm to hawgfaninc
When did a civil war break out on here?
Posted on 10/26/12 at 6:03 pm to boogiewoogie1978
It all started with me just asking BT if he was in LE. Didn't think it would turn into a full on shite storm.
Posted on 10/26/12 at 6:18 pm to bpfergu
In my experience being a vet only got me noticed by an employer. I have never got a job just because im a vet and have never heard of it happening to others. If anything it could be a deciding factor between two qualified people.
As far as cops in my mind there are two types. One group who generally love the job and sincerely want to help and the other group got picked on in high school and love the power.
JMHO
As far as cops in my mind there are two types. One group who generally love the job and sincerely want to help and the other group got picked on in high school and love the power.
JMHO
Posted on 10/26/12 at 7:24 pm to OSqueal
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You're absolutely right. It pays shite in most areas of the country so you either love it or you love the power trip. All the guys I know love it. They include county jail deputies to state troopers, to US Marshals, DEA, etc. There are bad apples in every profession, people just hate cops because they deal with them daily.
Posted on 10/26/12 at 11:42 pm to FlyingRazorback
You should amend that to read that people hate coos.bc generally they only deal with them.when they have sone something which draws their attemtion and not in a good way.
Posted on 10/27/12 at 3:13 am to FlyingRazorback
I love cops actually, I like having attorneys as friends too. It's crazy how many of my buddies got into law enforcement. The better ones were some of the wildest craziest dudes I knew, the couple that are shite-tastic were just kinda off, and I know it's a power thing or to get some respect in the community.
My favorite cops are the shady ones that go sex up chicks while they're on duty or get busted off duty with drugs.
I'd be a horrible cop, so respect to those that take the job and the purpose seriously.
My favorite cops are the shady ones that go sex up chicks while they're on duty or get busted off duty with drugs.
I'd be a horrible cop, so respect to those that take the job and the purpose seriously.
Posted on 10/27/12 at 9:19 am to CtotheVrzrbck
I know some police officers that are just grade A standup guys. They truly serve their communities with integrity and honor.
Posted on 10/27/12 at 10:36 am to SLC
And at the same time it is true that there are some grade a assholes wearing a badge.
My problem is when people expect cops in general to be better than the public in general. Thats just dumb. As long as we hire humans as cops were going to get some bad cops.
I actually think half of humans are bad people so to get only about 10% bad cops is doing pretty well.
My problem is when people expect cops in general to be better than the public in general. Thats just dumb. As long as we hire humans as cops were going to get some bad cops.
I actually think half of humans are bad people so to get only about 10% bad cops is doing pretty well.
Posted on 10/27/12 at 10:52 am to BTHog
Oh sure there are some bad apples, I just don't want to pile on the profession in general because of them. I know some really good guys who do it, and I'm thankful we have them.
Posted on 10/27/12 at 1:18 pm to BTHog
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My problem is when people expect cops in general to be better than the public in general. Thats just dumb. As long as we hire humans as cops were going to get some bad cops.
I do hold them to a higher standard. If they cant handle it find another job. Being human is not an excuse when you are trained to know better.
Posted on 10/27/12 at 1:35 pm to OSqueal
Thats stupid man. You cant train human nature out of people. Even the military fails at that on occasion. So saying the fact that some ckos dont meet a higher standard means the whole professkon sucks is retarded
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