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Posted on 3/26/16 at 2:24 am to pioneerbasketball
Awesome idea but the actual execution laid out there seems terrible.
This pretty much renders the entire process worthless because they can indirectly get the money anyways if they actually do fail.
This pretty much renders the entire process worthless because they can indirectly get the money anyways if they actually do fail.
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Applicants who continue testing positive — or fail to complete the program — are excluded from receiving the funds directly and the benefits will sent to the person’s family.
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Posted on 3/26/16 at 7:38 am to pioneerbasketball
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Applicants for government aid will answer a questionnaire regarding drug use, and if the answers raise concerns, the applicant will be asked to take a drug test.
Good luck with getting honest answers about drug use.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 7:40 am to pioneerbasketball
So I can just answer 'no' for the two questions, and they won't test me?
Posted on 3/26/16 at 11:33 am to pioneerbasketball
I can tell you exactly how I feel about this...
IT'S A BAD FRICKING DEAL!
I don't want to see welfare money spent on drugs at all. Let's make that clear. If you can't afford your recreational habits out of your own pocket, don't do them.
But what kind of idiotic government agency thinks spending $1.7 mil to save $40,000.00 is a doable deal?
Another idiotic government ploy to put some more workers on federal payroll to facilitate this plan.
IT'S A BAD FRICKING DEAL!
I don't want to see welfare money spent on drugs at all. Let's make that clear. If you can't afford your recreational habits out of your own pocket, don't do them.
But what kind of idiotic government agency thinks spending $1.7 mil to save $40,000.00 is a doable deal?
Another idiotic government ploy to put some more workers on federal payroll to facilitate this plan.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 12:21 pm to pioneerbasketball
Thank the Lord I get to drive on dangerous narrow roads that could be widened with this money. That'll show those stoners on welfare!
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Posted on 3/26/16 at 1:15 pm to Porker Face
There's a reason that drug testing welfare recipients is a bad idea. No matter how effective it is, it costs more money than you save. In Florida, they do it.. and they gave the contract to Rick Scott's wife's company.
It's popular in red states because of all those terrible welfare crackheads. It doesn't make fiscal sense however. The arkansas program at least saves money by going the survey route instead of testing everybody.
It's popular in red states because of all those terrible welfare crackheads. It doesn't make fiscal sense however. The arkansas program at least saves money by going the survey route instead of testing everybody.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 1:17 pm to TheCheshireHog
Retarded completely retarded.
However my friend's company will likely provide the testing for N. central Arkansas so maybe there is a silver lining for those that perform drug testing services.
However my friend's company will likely provide the testing for N. central Arkansas so maybe there is a silver lining for those that perform drug testing services.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 1:34 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
Why not just do random drug testing?
Posted on 3/26/16 at 2:06 pm to boogiewoogie1978
I prefer non-random testing.
As in, a welfare recipient lives in a home where a resident has been arrested for a drug crime.
Test then.
A welfare recipient themselves are arrested. Test then.
Also why are welfare recipients not required to do community service. At least those folks could do something positive with their time.
10 hours a week, picking up trash w/ a road crew, cleaning parks and rivers and creeks, help meals on wheels cook and prepare the meals, crosswalk monitoring at schools, mow the grounds of state facilities etc.
There's a lot of little stuff that can be done in their communities. Maybe trash and recycling duties would be the best to uplift some of these downtrodden areas where generational welfare exists.
As in, a welfare recipient lives in a home where a resident has been arrested for a drug crime.
Test then.
A welfare recipient themselves are arrested. Test then.
Also why are welfare recipients not required to do community service. At least those folks could do something positive with their time.
10 hours a week, picking up trash w/ a road crew, cleaning parks and rivers and creeks, help meals on wheels cook and prepare the meals, crosswalk monitoring at schools, mow the grounds of state facilities etc.
There's a lot of little stuff that can be done in their communities. Maybe trash and recycling duties would be the best to uplift some of these downtrodden areas where generational welfare exists.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 2:12 pm to pioneerbasketball
And jesus said I will feed the people unless they struggle with addiction or make a poor decision one evening. Those people I Will waist an extraordinary amount of money on to make sure they are miserable.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 3:22 pm to TheCheshireHog
Spending 1.7 million dollars to save 40,000 is the same sort of sound financial wisdom often displayed by drunk fratboys in strip clubs.
Give me that 1.7 million dollars a year instead. My taxes alone will be more then 40k and I will use that money to support local businesses!
Granted the local business will be my soon to be wealthy liquor store but by God I'll at least have fun doing it.
Give me that 1.7 million dollars a year instead. My taxes alone will be more then 40k and I will use that money to support local businesses!
Granted the local business will be my soon to be wealthy liquor store but by God I'll at least have fun doing it.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 4:01 pm to Arksulli
i used to be a drug addict. i'd be lying if i said i didn't still use certhin things recretionally but back in the day i had a real serious addiction to crack cocaine. i'm a porogrmamer and a damn good one so i've always made money and never had to resort to stealing or anything else, but monbey would come in one end and go out the other.
one day while over this girl's house around the first of the month, this girl who had 3 kids, had just gotten like 600 dollars worth of food stamps. she calls her dealer upo, gives him 550 dollars worth of stamps for like 150 dollars worth of dope, and she buys her k,ids a bunch of peanut butter and jelly and candy and shite. one of her kids came in and he was happy that his mom got him a recces, not understanding the entire ordeal and how he just got fricked over.
that shite broke my heart to the point i just got up and left. i couldn't take it. i don't understand the mindset of someone who could take food from their kids to buy fricking drugs. but they do it.
i 10000% support this shite. i have fun but i make well over 100k a year, own my own company and when work has to be done, work gets done, if i want to spend a few hundred on roxy's and skate lol that's my fricking business. i'm not paying for someone else to get high and i will be damned if you take food out of your kids mouth to get high
one day while over this girl's house around the first of the month, this girl who had 3 kids, had just gotten like 600 dollars worth of food stamps. she calls her dealer upo, gives him 550 dollars worth of stamps for like 150 dollars worth of dope, and she buys her k,ids a bunch of peanut butter and jelly and candy and shite. one of her kids came in and he was happy that his mom got him a recces, not understanding the entire ordeal and how he just got fricked over.
that shite broke my heart to the point i just got up and left. i couldn't take it. i don't understand the mindset of someone who could take food from their kids to buy fricking drugs. but they do it.
i 10000% support this shite. i have fun but i make well over 100k a year, own my own company and when work has to be done, work gets done, if i want to spend a few hundred on roxy's and skate lol that's my fricking business. i'm not paying for someone else to get high and i will be damned if you take food out of your kids mouth to get high
Posted on 3/26/16 at 4:18 pm to vengeanceofrain
Perhaps routing that 1.7 million dollars into effective drug treatment might be the better answer then gloriously pissing it away on drug tests then.
You want to curtail drug abuse then treat it, don't throw our tax dollars down the drain, so that some folks can feel good that they don't do drugs/can afford to do drugs when they want too.
This is horse shite, poor and simple. We're throwing away money that could be better spent on other issues, including drug related issues, so we can feel morally superior. It won't even take away their benefits, the money will just go to their families instead.
We'd be better off using that 1.7 million dollars as toilet paper. At least then we get something in return. This won't stop drug abuse, it will just give people who want to act morally superior a fig leaf to hide behind. You want to help that starving family you talked about? Then give that woman treatment so she breaks out of her cycle of addiction. Otherwise you are just jerking off.
You want to curtail drug abuse then treat it, don't throw our tax dollars down the drain, so that some folks can feel good that they don't do drugs/can afford to do drugs when they want too.
This is horse shite, poor and simple. We're throwing away money that could be better spent on other issues, including drug related issues, so we can feel morally superior. It won't even take away their benefits, the money will just go to their families instead.
We'd be better off using that 1.7 million dollars as toilet paper. At least then we get something in return. This won't stop drug abuse, it will just give people who want to act morally superior a fig leaf to hide behind. You want to help that starving family you talked about? Then give that woman treatment so she breaks out of her cycle of addiction. Otherwise you are just jerking off.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 4:37 pm to Arksulli
drug treatment is a racket too. Lots of abuse in that system too.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 6:02 pm to pioneerbasketball
Whoever came up with this needs to frick themselves hard
That is one government peon's annual salary
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$40,000 in savings,
That is one government peon's annual salary
Posted on 3/26/16 at 8:16 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
I'd say less than the the drug testing racket.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 9:47 pm to oklahogjr
Drug treatment won't work because the only time people go to treatment is when the alterative is jail which means they have to get caught.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 9:49 pm to vengeanceofrain
You also Re not considering the money saved not housing drug addicts in prison, the parole officers payroll when they get out etc
If u can treat before they get into the system it saves a shite load of money
If u can treat before they get into the system it saves a shite load of money
Posted on 3/26/16 at 10:31 pm to vengeanceofrain
Leave me in prison.
Each year our prison population gets higher. And each successive year is the safest year EVER in our country. Sounds like a pretty good system to me! Considering the trillions we waste, this seems like money well spent.
Each year our prison population gets higher. And each successive year is the safest year EVER in our country. Sounds like a pretty good system to me! Considering the trillions we waste, this seems like money well spent.
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