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re: Ark Governor: No Syrian refugees
Posted on 11/17/15 at 8:16 am to Hawgeye
Posted on 11/17/15 at 8:16 am to Hawgeye
An internet website making an assertion does not make it a fact. I cited US immigration and Homeland security protocol via their official websites, which run counter to what you've posted. I'm really not sure what else I could say to prove that point to you.
In any case, I edited my post to show the close distinction between refugees and asylees. It is, as far as I can tell, accurate and reflects the actual nature of the differences.
Again, none of this matters. It's all a political game since, as I stated, the US is required to accept refugees and asylees by international law.
In any case, I edited my post to show the close distinction between refugees and asylees. It is, as far as I can tell, accurate and reflects the actual nature of the differences.
Again, none of this matters. It's all a political game since, as I stated, the US is required to accept refugees and asylees by international law.
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 8:20 am to BarkRuffalo
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the US is required to accept refugees and asylees by international law.
Sure, but not 250,000 of them.
Ill again ask, just as I did prior in this thread....What is wrong with setting up a "safe zone" for these refugees across the pond and setting up maximum military security presence?
I have a really big problem with POTUS wanting to spend money on people who aren't citizens, while our veterans, who are citizens, who have defended our freedom, sit here in our country homeless, mentally ill, etc.
Use that money on vets, not refugees.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 8:21 am to Hawgeye
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Boston Marathon bombing, for starters
The Cuban refugee crisis back during the Carter years is a good example of what can happen when the U.S. allows massive numbers of refugees to enter our country, especially when we're not on good terms with their government or country of origin. In that situation, Miami became a cesspool of crime. That's why I think it's best to be very cautious.
This post was edited on 11/17/15 at 8:23 am
Posted on 11/17/15 at 8:32 am to BarkRuffalo
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It's all a political game since, as I stated, the US is required to accept refugees and asylees by international law.
I don't doubt this and this is one of many very good reasons for the U.S. should not be in the U.N. It's basically a tool for gaining political and economic leverage and control over countries by creating insurmountable debt through the World Bank, IMF, Bank for International Settlements, etc. that adds to our national debt, as well as foreign debt, with American taxpayers having to pay a lot of the tab. It's about gaining global economic control, and not to the benefit of the economy or infrastructure of any country. These banks enrich themselves through financing perpetual war, reconstruction projects, global infrastructure projects, and endless crises on a global scale, which are all political and economic exploitations and scams.
The American people need to be in complete charge of their own monetary system, economy, political policies, and country, not the UN or anything else associated with it. It's ridiculous.
This post was edited on 11/17/15 at 9:22 am
Posted on 11/17/15 at 8:42 am to Hawgeye
A safe zone that would require Millions and many troops would be a bullseye target for ISIS. Attack that protected area and that could be a very powerful symbolic move over the western world.
That IS a very real possibility.
That IS a very real possibility.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:38 am to BarkRuffalo
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70% of Syrian refugees are women and children
pics?
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:55 am to Hawgeye
One of the big issues with people who want to welcome the Syrians with open arms is that they don't know anything about Syria. I guarantee you hoginthesw couldn't find Syria on a map.
But show them a crying child and suddenly we need to do everything we can to help them.
But show them a crying child and suddenly we need to do everything we can to help them.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 10:15 am to hoginthesw
You know what is even more real? That we have no clue who we would let in this country if they allowed these refugees.
Many government officials are opposed to this. There is a reason. The secret service, homeland security, CIA, and border patrol have all state they're against this.
Many government officials are opposed to this. There is a reason. The secret service, homeland security, CIA, and border patrol have all state they're against this.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 10:34 am to Stonehog
Petulant contention fits you well.
Bless your heart.
Bless your heart.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 10:39 am to Hawgeye
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The secret service, homeland security, CIA, and border patrol have all state they're against this.
Link? Tried Googling it, but couldn't find anything.
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I have a really big problem with POTUS wanting to spend money on people who aren't citizens, while our veterans, who are citizens, who have defended our freedom, sit here in our country homeless, mentally ill, etc.
Use that money on vets, not refugees.
I'm not sure why we can't do both. The VA budget for 2014 was $152.7 billion, while total defense spending was $581 billion (figures from Wiki). Foreign aid to Syrian has been $4.5 billion over the past four years ( LINK).
Regarding the safe zone: Where would you propose this safe zone should be? The aid given to the refugees has been toward food and shelter in Lebanon, Jordan, and Turkey, but it's not at all enough--not even close. I have no problem with an overseas safe-space in theory, but it's not likely to happen soon. If Assad is toppled and ISIS is definitively pushed out of Syria, then I don't see why we couldn't accomplish this. But that seems like the more expensive option to me, if you're worried about money.
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The Cuban refugee crisis back during the Carter years is a good example of what can happen when the U.S. allows massive numbers of refugees to enter our country, especially when we're not on good terms with their government or country of origin
I think it's a bit more complicated then that, especially 125,000 people landed in one area in 7 months (86K landing in the first month alone). This is far less than that, spread out among the states.
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The American people need to be in complete charge of their own monetary system, economy, political policies, and country, not the UN or anything else associated with it. It's ridiculous
I honestly don't know enough about that to have an informed opinion about that, so I'll leave it to you and other posters to sort that out.
This post was edited on 11/17/15 at 10:53 am
Posted on 11/17/15 at 10:54 am to BarkRuffalo
i have nothing of merit to add to this discussion but thought i'd pop off anyway.
part of me wants to help, part of me is frightened. i lean towards keeping the frightened part of me safe by agreeing with asa.
part of me wants to help, part of me is frightened. i lean towards keeping the frightened part of me safe by agreeing with asa.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 10:56 am to BarkRuffalo
I say bring on the immigrants. This country was made great by immigrants originally and maybe we need A big infusion of outside talent. Bring in every syrian doctor, teacher, and scientist available and put them to work asap.
As for the homeless veterans and shite that is an unrelated diversion. We could easily house and feed them but we have choosen to ignore and say frick our veterans for a very long time now. It unfortunate but there is no reason these things are mutually exclusive. Hell maybe we just include veterans in our refugee housing. A good mix of our veterans and the outside syrians might result in great things.
As for the homeless veterans and shite that is an unrelated diversion. We could easily house and feed them but we have choosen to ignore and say frick our veterans for a very long time now. It unfortunate but there is no reason these things are mutually exclusive. Hell maybe we just include veterans in our refugee housing. A good mix of our veterans and the outside syrians might result in great things.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:03 am to oklahogjr
I like it. Let's do a refugee swap.
We'll take their educated professionals and give them our homeless vets.
Maybe the vets will become a fighting force in Syria and be happy again.
We'll take their educated professionals and give them our homeless vets.
Maybe the vets will become a fighting force in Syria and be happy again.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:08 am to oklahogjr
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Bring in every syrian doctor, teacher, and scientist available and put them to work asap.
OR put the money required to host that many refugees into clearing our streets of as many homeless (vets) as we can? frick them, though.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:10 am to ocelot4ark
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OR put the money required to host that many refugees into clearing our streets of as many homeless (vets) as we can? frick them, though.
we have the money to do both. It's just that no one in charge has ever given a shite about a soldier that wasn't good for publicity stunts or fighting over seas right now.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:58 am to oklahogjr
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we have the money to do both
We also have the money to end World Hunger. I shite you not, google it. The USA simply chooses not to do a lot of humanitarian work in the name of the military industrial complex, banks, politicians pocketbooks, "liberating other countries" and other groups who feed off the fake money printed by Uncle Sam.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 12:04 pm to HogFanfromHTown
Posted on 11/17/15 at 12:16 pm to Razorback Reverend
Welp, one of them has already gone missing from BR, assumed to have gone to another state. Since they aren't kept track of, no one fricking knows where he is. 
... It is quite simple to me - there are much more logical places for these refugees to go other than the U.S. We need to err on the side of caution here considering the fact the vast majority of the Muslim world detests the U.S., wishes for nothing more than our death, and have proven they will go to great lengths to accomplish this. Better for us to be safe than sorry. We can help without being completely stupid and putting our citizens in real danger.
... It is quite simple to me - there are much more logical places for these refugees to go other than the U.S. We need to err on the side of caution here considering the fact the vast majority of the Muslim world detests the U.S., wishes for nothing more than our death, and have proven they will go to great lengths to accomplish this. Better for us to be safe than sorry. We can help without being completely stupid and putting our citizens in real danger. This post was edited on 11/17/15 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 11/17/15 at 12:19 pm to Arkla Missy
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the vast majority of the Muslim world detest the U.S., wish for nothing more than our death, and have proven they will go to great lengths to accomplish this.
Muslims make up around 25% of the world population a vast majority of them couldn't give a frick less about america because we don't impact their daily lives.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 12:24 pm to oklahogjr
Well, they've certainly proven they can impact ours on 9/11, and it only takes a few. There's really no argument here. It is completely careless, irresponsible, and a complete travesty to allow Syrian "refuges" into this country, particularly considering the fact that their whereabouts are not controlled.
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